Avengers Campus - Reactions / Reviews

[SplashJacket]

Batuu is trying to tell a specific Star Wars story, unlike Avenger’s Campus. It would be difficult to incorporate an unlocked timeline land in the park.

That being said, you know what ride sits next-door to both Star Wars lands? Star Tours. You know what could easily and relatively cheaply provide the fix of non Batuu characters? A small development expanding Star Tour’s foot print to allow for Avenger’s Campusesque character interactions

 

[el_super]

That being said, you know what ride sits next-door to both Star Wars lands? Star Tours. You know what could easily and relatively cheaply provide the fix of non Batuu characters? A small development expanding Star Tour’s foot print to allow for Avenger’s Campusesque character interactions

Star Wars Launch Bay was handling the non-Batuu related Character Meet N Greets up until the closure. They had Darth Vader pretty regularly and occasionally Boba Fett. I don't know if a in-park version of the Mandalorian was created, but I doubt that a version of Grogu was ever done.

 

[waltography]

Batuu is trying to tell a specific Star Wars story, unlike Avenger’s Campus. It would be difficult to incorporate an unlocked timeline land in the park.

I don't even think Batuu is trying anymore. Sure, for the 300 or so folks that get to board the Halcyon every two days, the land is time locked for their experience. But for the tens of thousands of guests passing through daily? The time lock has no meaning to them. Keep the timeline to the attractions, but don't use it as an excuse for not leveraging characters people care more about. (That being said, I'm not advocating for seeing Kylo and Vader walking around at the same time, but it's wild to me that the Mandalorian and Grogu haven't had any walk-around characters yet).

I suspect Disneyland will drop the time lock before WDW does precisely because of Galactic Starcruiser.

 

[el_super]

I suspect Disneyland will drop the time lock before WDW does precisely because of Galactic Starcruiser.

I think dropping the time-lock on Batuu will basically be the end of WDI as we know it.

 

[mickEblu]

They could totally have the Mandolorian and Grogu in the land, Galaxy’s Edge is set 30 years later but Mando would be wearing a mask and Grogu would only age something like 3 human years. The fact that it’s been almost 2 and a half years and that hasn’t happened is absurd.

They should have all the characters there. It’s a theme park. The land is designed in a way where it doesn’t have to cheesy like Avengers Campus either that’s just a Meet n Greet courtyard.

 

[waltography]

I think dropping the time-lock on Batuu will basically be the end of WDI as we know it.

Bit dramatic. The "living land" concept has been a benchmark WDI has failed to meet pretty spectacularly; dropping the time lock is not a dropping of standards, but a dropping of pretenses that it was ever a justification for deliberately worsening the guest experience.

 

[mickEblu]

I think dropping the time-lock on Batuu will basically be the end of WDI as we know it.

Do you mean the WDI of the past 5-6 years or the WDI from the few decades before that. As my comment implies, I think the latter is already gone.

 

[el_super]

Bit dramatic. The "living land" concept has been a benchmark WDI has failed to meet pretty spectacularly; dropping the time lock is not a dropping of standards, but a dropping of pretenses that it was ever a justification for deliberately worsening the guest experience.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be trying to fix the "living land" concept, or sticking to the story they have set out to tell. The problem with removing the time lock, is basically admitting that any sense of storytelling in a theme park isn't really all that important as long as the guests get to check off the IPs they want to see in the park. If putting Luke Skywalker in Batuu somehow "fixes" the land in a more sustainable way, that's just lowering the bar for any other future projects. Story will take a backseat and building roller coasters that play some music from the movie soundtrack will just become the norm.

Do you mean the WDI of the past 5-6 years or the WDI from the few decades before that. As my comment implies, I think the latter is already gone.

The emphasis on storytelling has been around since at least the 80s. It was something Marty was really into.

And sure... maybe it was silly and too much for a theme park, and really people just want to see X character slapped onto a ride or a meet n greet. It doesn't take a whole think tank of Imagineers to come up with those basic ideas though.

 

[mickEblu]

Batuu is trying to tell a specific Star Wars story, unlike Avenger’s Campus. It would be difficult to incorporate an unlocked timeline land in the park.

That being said, you know what ride sits next-door to both Star Wars lands? Star Tours. You know what could easily and relatively cheaply provide the fix of non Batuu characters? A small development expanding Star Tour’s foot print to allow for Avenger’s Campusesque character interactions

Yeah they failed miserably on that “story” anyway.

After people get off ROTR they really wouldn’t care if they saw Darth Vader over by Ogas Cantina. They would just be excited to see Vader or any character really. My uncle, who is the most casual of casual Star Wars/ Disneyland fans, came to DL with me a couple weeks ago and had a lot to say about the land. One thing that stuck out to me is when he said that the “land is dead without the characters.” We walked in through the “Fantasyland” entrance and he was really impressed with Kylos ship and loved seeing the storm troopers out. He thought however that as soon as the characters disappeared the land kind of dies and I agree. Without the kinetic energy, you need the characters to off set all of the shut doors, shut windows, static ships and “dead” droids. Without the characters it’s a movie set. Especially considering that to get to Galaxies Edge you either just walked by Fantasyland or the ROA which are both full of life and kinetic energy.

I saw Chewy for the first time since early 2020 and I think it was one of my sons favorite characters moments ever.

 

[mickEblu]

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be trying to fix the "living land" concept, or sticking to the story they have set out to tell. The problem with removing the time lock, is basically admitting that any sense of storytelling in a theme park isn't really all that important as long as the guests get to check off the IPs they want to see in the park. If putting Luke Skywalker in Batuu somehow "fixes" the land in a more sustainable way, that's just lowering the bar for any other future projects. Story will take a backseat and building roller coasters that play some music from the movie soundtrack will just become the norm.




The emphasis on storytelling has been around since at least the 80s. It was something Marty was really into.

And sure... maybe it was silly and too much for a theme park, and really people just want to see X character slapped onto a ride or a meet n greet. It doesn't take a whole think tank of Imagineers to come up with those basic ideas though.

I know it has. I just meant the caliber of imagineering/ story telling I feel has gone downhill the past 5-6 years. Not entirely the imagineers fault considering who’s in charge, a pandemic and all the politically correct mandates. Still it’s hard to blame stuff like the new POTC auction scene or that eye sore of the Collectors Fortress on any of those things.

It’s not that putting Luke Skywalker in the land fixes it. It’s prioritizing guest experience to a dumb timeline and half baked “story.” Characters is just one part of that. Other examples would be an alien band playing music, a show (not Chewy fixing the ship) random walk around droids/ aliens and more kinetic energy. They re arguably not doing most of these because it either doesn’t fit the timeline or story of Batuu. The other part of course is they don’t want to spend the money right now. As far as Chappy is concerned the land contains the best ride in the world and we should be happy with that and CMs saying “bright suns.”

 

[SplashJacket]

Star Wars Launch Bay was handling the non-Batuu related Character Meet N Greets up until the closure. They had Darth Vader pretty regularly and occasionally Boba Fett. I don't know if a in-park version of the Mandalorian was created, but I doubt that a version of Grogu was ever done.

I don't really think Launch Bay fills the void sufficiently. Launch Bay doesn't integrate characters in the way that Avenger's Campus does. They've done a fantastic job of integrating characters, especially the new ones, into the land. Honestly the best part of the land.

 

[el_super]

It’s not that putting Luke Skywalker in the land fixes it. It’s prioritizing guest experience to a dumb timeline and half baked “story.”

Yeah but it's a short trip from "the story isn't worth fixing" to "story isn't important in a theme park."

The other part of course is they don’t want to spend the money right now. As far as Chappy is concerned the land contains the best ride in the world and we should be happy with that and CMs saying “bright suns.”

I'm pretty sure at this point, considering the development work that went into Star Cruiser, and the current setup of Avengers Campus, that there were far more concerns over operational issues rather than pure budget concerns.

I don't really think Launch Bay fills the void sufficiently. Launch Bay doesn't integrate characters in the way that Avenger's Campus does. They've done a fantastic job of integrating characters, especially the new ones, into the land. Honestly the best part of the land.

Oh I agree, Launch Bay isn't a great environment compared to Avengers Campus, but they do still have that outlet for showcasing "other" Star Wars characters.

 

[truecoat]

Yeah they failed miserably on that “story” anyway.

After people get off ROTR they really wouldn’t care if they saw Darth Vader over by Ogas Cantina. They would just be excited to see Vader or any character really. My uncle, who is the most casual of casual Star Wars/ Disneyland fans, came to DL with me a couple weeks ago and had a lot to say about the land. One thing that stuck out to me is when he said that the “land is dead without the characters.” We walked in through the “Fantasyland” entrance and he was really impressed with Kylos ship and loved seeing the storm troopers out. He thought however that as soon as the characters disappeared the land kind of dies and I agree. Without the kinetic energy, you need the characters to off set all of the shut doors, shut windows, static ships and “dead” droids. Without the characters it’s a movie set. Especially considering that to get to Galaxies Edge you either just walked by Fantasyland or the ROA which are both full of life and kinetic energy.

I saw Chewy for the first time since early 2020 and I think it was one of my sons favorite characters moments ever.

Yep, look at some of the original artwork.

I see a lot of characters wandering around. Ones not locked to the timeline which tells me it wasn't always going to be like this.

 

[CaptinEO]

Well I’m saying the timeline doesn’t even prevent it! I don’t mind the timeline because it’s set late enough that almost everything has existed up to that point, so they could bring in dead characters and technically have them be force ghosts (we see this in the movies) and they could bring in Mando and Grogu and in any case the hardcore fans would have their explanation and regular people wouldn’t know/care.

I don't think hardcore fans that care about theme park timelines exist. If so none cared about Star Tours. It's just Disney taking "storytelling" too seriously once again.

 

[CaptinEO]

Bit dramatic. The "living land" concept has been a benchmark WDI has failed to meet pretty spectacularly; dropping the time lock is not a dropping of standards, but a dropping of pretenses that it was ever a justification for deliberately worsening the guest experience.

Absolutely. The whole immersion elements were all cut before opening, the characters, droids, entertainment, stunt show, interactive roleplaying, it was all dropped.

Yet the land is time locked anyways? Why? It makes no sense.

 

[Professortango1]

They shouldn't have locked out the most popular characters.

Only Han is locked out. GE exists somewhere in the 2nd film. Kylo still has his mask, Rey has some training. So we still have Leia, Luke, Chewy, Lando, Kylo, Rey, Finn, Po, Rose, etc.

 

[Professortango1]

I don't think hardcore fans that care about theme park timelines exist. If so none cared about Star Tours. It's just Disney taking "storytelling" too seriously once again.

The new Star Tours is a mess though. They called it "The Adventure Continues," then made it take place before the OT. And now our prequel starspeeder is being attacked by Kylo Ren. Huh??? Not only that, but the ride no longer feels like a ride, but a way to advertise the movies. Too reliant and CGI and too jumpy. I'd love to see a return of Star Tours 1.0 some day, even if only for a promotional period.

 

[CaptinEO]

The new Star Tours is a mess though. They called it "The Adventure Continues," then made it take place before the OT. And now our prequel starspeeder is being attacked by Kylo Ren. Huh??? Not only that, but the ride no longer feels like a ride, but a way to advertise the movies. Too reliant and CGI and too jumpy. I'd love to see a return of Star Tours 1.0 some day, even if only for a promotional period.

Well it takes place during all the trilogies. The adventure did continue any way I see it.

I don't know why the Star Tours 1.0 footage can't be at least thrown into the randomized footage, surely it could be split into thirds and be part of the pool.

 

[truecoat]

Only Han is locked out. GE exists somewhere in the 2nd film. Kylo still has his mask, Rey has some training. So we still have Leia, Luke, Chewy, Lando, Kylo, Rey, Finn, Po, Rose, etc.

ugh

 

[CaptinEO]

Only Han is locked out. GE exists somewhere in the 2nd film. Kylo still has his mask, Rey has some training. So we still have Leia, Luke, Chewy, Lando, Kylo, Rey, Finn, Po, Rose, etc.

Galaxy's Edge takes place after 8 and before 9. So no Luke.