Avengers Campus - Reactions / Reviews

[Phroobar]

It’s thematic nonsense in Fantasyland. Why do you think Matterhorn has flipped and flopped between Tomorrowland and Fantasyland.

What else in Fantasyland is sleek, aesthetically pleasing, and futuristic? The monorail looked ridiculous on the Golden Gate Bridge, too. Also looks stupid gliding through the Grand Californian.

What a stupid place Disneyland is. I don't know why anyone would want to go there much less work there.

 

[Ismael Flores]

I am really interested in seeing what theming they come up with for the backstage building that is being erected right now behind Lugi's.

It doesn't seem like they will continue the rock work aesthetic-most likely because it would be more costly. I really hope they are not just going to paint it go away green/blue and hide it with pine trees. They can always theme it to more buildings but it would seem strange to have these building facades right behind a huge wooden wall. Maybe if the building is close enough to Wooden Fence then maybe they could remove the fence and make the new facades part of the queue theming. Expand the garage/ tire shop theming back there.

 

[ToTBellHop]

What a stupid place Disneyland is. I don't know why anyone would want to go there much less work there.

Moreover, errors have been made since day-one. People make it out like only today’s Imagineers allow for thematic incongruity. It’s been present for decades.

California has community colleges. Here is beautiful East LA College before WEB took over:

3 trees!

 

[DanielBB8]

You can't have many lands having with different objectives so close to each other without their theming bleeding into each other. Each new park have less lands and more space to fill in a consistent theming. I never thought that blocking out the view of a distance land should be the goal. Otherwise, the concept of wienies should go away since you can see it in another land. Some will say you should only see it in it's own land, but I think it evolved to be this way later after trees grown in. Theming is a evolving concept.

Tomorrowland should be changed to Modern Land. "There's a Great Big Beautiful Today". A place to celebrate Me!!!

 

[mickEblu]

You can't have many lands having with different objectives so close to each other without their theming bleeding into each other. Each new park have less lands and more space to fill in a consistent theming. I never thought that blocking out the view of a distance land should be the goal. Otherwise, the concept of wienies should go away since you can see it in another land. Some will say you should only see it in it's own land, but I think it evolved to be this way later after trees grown in. Theming is a evolving concept.

Tomorrowland should be changed to Modern Land. "There's a Great Big Beautiful Today". A place to celebrate Me!!!

So what’s the Marvel Land Weenie? The brick building?

 

[SSG]

So what’s the Marvel Land Weenie? The brick building?

This guy:

 

[Deleted member 107043]

So what’s the Marvel Land Weenie? The brick building?

Is it not this?

 

[SSG]

Is it not this?

Well sure, if you want to give a real answer.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

Is it not this?

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

That's a train. Not a monorail. Are you really suggesting a monorail should be wrapping around a swiss village? It was a stupid decision that St. Walt approved of and it led to years of going back and forth between Matterhorn being in Fantasyland, where it belongs, and Tomorrowland, where it physically is. The monorail has no place in Fantasyland. It's right up there with my 6-year olds remarking on the nonsense of seeing Mad Tea Party behind Cosmic Ray's (like, physically behind Sonny Eclipse).

Disneyland plays by different rules - A Bavarian Castle makes no sense at the end of Main Street U.S.A., except that it is the quintessential vista of Disneyland. The relationship between those things is one the parks draws, not one it draws upon. Which is a brilliant tool that I think present day Imagineering often overlooks. Transitions are useful until they’re not, and sometimes, for various reasons, you end up having to put two unrelated things next to each other. The trick then is to do it artfully and create a strong relationship where none existed before. Disneyland is full of these magical contradictions, but they’re only magical because they were made magical - I don’t know that seeing the Monorail glide through Fantasyland has ever taken me “out of Fantasyland”, it’s magical enough on its own that it just seems to be visiting rather than a fixture that feels out of place. But that’s the benefit of building a place where you’re allowed to write the rules, you can do something like that in a way that makes sense even if it doesn’t on paper.

DCA seems to make up its own rules to a lesser extent - in most places the effort is made to provide a seamless transition, and then in the places where they can’t they seem to hope you don’t notice the jump instead of seizing the opportunity to make a statement of it. Which is, you know, a choice, but you get backed into corners more quickly and it’s harder to write your way out of them when 99 percent of what you’re building is prescribed my existing properties that either offer you a built-in transition point or they don’t. I wish DCA would be more willing to make more of a meal out of putting things next to each other. I’ve always got the feeling, especially since the DCA Redo, that someone was apologizing for the Monorail’s presence in that park, where at Disneyland they never do.

What’s more fastastic, having the Monorail half-way hidden over Buena Vista Street with minimal view for guests both on and off, or the winding spaghetti-bowl labyrinth trip it takes through the wilds of Fantasyland and then around the Matterhorn before arriving at its home in Tomorrowland?

 

[mickEblu]

Is it not this?

Nah. That doesn’t draw me in, it makes me angry. Lol. Plus It was already there before Marvel Land and it’s facing the wrong way.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

it’s facing the wrong way.

Isn't it sort of angled toward both Hollywood Land and The Avengers Campus at the transition between the two lands? It's hard for me to tell from photos and the concept art.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Disneyland plays by different rules - A Bavarian Castle makes no sense at the end of Main Street U.S.A., except that it is the quintessential vista of Disneyland.

The Castle on Main Street makes a lot of sense. Traditional Main Streets are often anchored by important building that represent the origin and values of the community. In older towns this is usually a church as a show of religious piety, in later towns it is often a train station and courthouse as symbols of commerce and republicanism. Walt Disney’s Magic Kingdom has a romantic castle. The scale and architecture of the Castle are also sympathetic to Main Street, USA which means the visual is not one of dissonance.

 

[TROR]

The Castle on Main Street makes a lot of sense. Traditional Main Streets are often anchored by important building that represent the origin and values of the community. In older towns this is usually a church as a show of religious piety, in later towns it is often a train station and courthouse as symbols of commerce and republicanism. Walt Disney’s Magic Kingdom has a romantic castle. The scale and architecture of the Castle are also sympathetic to Main Street, USA which means the visual is not one of dissonance.

It's thematic in the true sense, not in the modern theme park sense.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Isn't it sort of angled toward both Hollywood Land and The Avengers Campus at the transition between the two lands? It's hard for me to tell from photos and the concept art.

The bigger issue for me is that it’s Marvel but it doesn’t look like anything else in the Avengers Campus. The old ToT look would’ve worked a bit better if they removed all the damage and otherwise only changed the ride itself. One wonders if Rohde designed it before they committed to the rest of the land...

 

[mickEblu]

Isn't it sort of angled toward both Hollywood Land and The Avengers Campus at the transition between the two lands? It's hard for me to tell from photos and the concept art.

It’s more angled towards The DCA hub.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

It’s more angled towards The DCA hub.

Right, so I'm imagining the final result to look something akin to this view of TOT at the end of Sunset Blvd. at WDW.

In other words it will be the Campus' weenie, albeit one set at a rather odd angle.

 

[mickEblu]

Right, so I'm imagining the final result to look something akin to this view of TOT at the end of Sunset Blvd. at WDW.

In other words it will be the Campus' weenie, albeit one set at a rather odd angle.

Right, except without a Palm tree lined Blvd. leading up to it. I can’t in good conscious give it the weenie title when it’s facing another land more than it is the land it’s supposed to be a weenie for. Not to mention the fact that we would be retroactively giving it that title when it was created before the land existed as a Non Marvel attraction.

Then of course there is the fact that 99 %of visitors already know what the GOTG/ TOT tower is. So functionally, one of the new structures will really act as more of a weenie. Maybe the Avengers building if its tall enough.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

One wonders if Rohde designed it before they committed to the rest of the land...

That must be it because the design of the building doesn't match anything else in the park or even remotely relate to California. Not Hollywood Land, not Avengers Campus, not anything. It looks more like Tomorrowland 1998, which was already dead by 2016.

Maybe in the future they'll redesign the exterior to better match the Campus. One can hope.

I think Joe wanted to do something bold and make his mark on the park, but given his experience he should have known better than to decorate the Resort's largest building in the way they did.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

The Castle on Main Street makes a lot of sense. Traditional Main Streets are often anchored by important building that represent the origin and values of the community. In older towns this is usually a church as a show of religious piety, in later towns it is often a train station and courthouse as symbols of commerce and republicanism. Walt Disney’s Magic Kingdom has a romantic castle. The scale and architecture of the Castle are also sympathetic to Main Street, USA which means the visual is not one of dissonance.

You've posted this multiple times, even though people never seem to bother and read it.

I do appreciate your effort though.