Supreme Leader
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If it's his artwork then he has every right to complain about it getting leaked/ stolen. It's his job on the line not yours. I'd be upset too, regardless if "fans" liked it or not.
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Avengers Campus - Reactions / Reviews
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mickEblu
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Repay? That’s your job. So this implies that then you are not trying to give us quality work when things don’t go your way? Or are you just saying you get so depressed and fed up that your judgment gets clouded and that the best you can come up with is a lame TSMM 1.5: Warehouse edition.
britain
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If he is the artist, let him rant his about stolen artwork. Practicalities and legalities about journalism aside, I don't blame him for being upset. I don't know if there's anything really to be done about it still stings for the artists, I'm sure.
Hopefully at D23, Chapek will be witty like Steve Jobs was when unveiling one of the new iPhones after it had leaked a few days prior: Steve just smiled and said, "Maybe this looks familiar but..." You can't act like the people you're talking to don't know what they know.
Hopefully at D23, Chapek will be witty like Steve Jobs was when unveiling one of the new iPhones after it had leaked a few days prior: Steve just smiled and said, "Maybe this looks familiar but..." You can't act like the people you're talking to don't know what they know.
Californian Elitist
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mickEblu
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I don’t mind the rant but I think “repay” was a poor choice of words. But it makes you wonder is he talking about the artwork or project in general? I’d imagine the audience here is reading it as the project. We don’t really care about concept art. I mean, concept art Is cool and exciting for all about 2 minutes. The finished project never ends up looking like the concept art anyway. He has to be talking about the project in general. If so, don’t blame your lame work on stolen artwork.
TROR
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Obviously this will be controversial (what posts of mine aren't at this point?), but you can really see a difference in product based on world views. Look back to Walt Disney and his men. He was a conservative man who clearly loved tradition, culture (both high and folk), and America. His product in Disneyland reflects these beliefs and we were given a beautiful place of romance, fantasy, and adventure that continues to delight guests over sixty years later.
But then look at modern Imagineering and the current designers of Disneyland. They take on a more liberal view of the world. One where there are no rules but what we make, where good and bad are equal. This mentality is shown in their products as well. See Galaxy's Edge where you can "choose" to be a Rebel, First Order soldier, or a pirate (and no, Pirates of the Caribbean is not glorifying piracy; the exact opposite, actually), or Mission Breakout where the it's designed to be a cold, unfeeling machine as opposed to a piece of art backed by tradition.
To be clear, I'm not talking Democrats vs Republican here when I say liberal or conservative, but a general approach to the world. You can clearly see in this man's profile, as I imagine you can find in most Imagineers', his entire identity comes from products and politics rather than religion, tradition, culture, and history.
Feel free to argue but I've seen it over and over with WDI, enough to make the comparison clear and obvious.
But then look at modern Imagineering and the current designers of Disneyland. They take on a more liberal view of the world. One where there are no rules but what we make, where good and bad are equal. This mentality is shown in their products as well. See Galaxy's Edge where you can "choose" to be a Rebel, First Order soldier, or a pirate (and no, Pirates of the Caribbean is not glorifying piracy; the exact opposite, actually), or Mission Breakout where the it's designed to be a cold, unfeeling machine as opposed to a piece of art backed by tradition.
To be clear, I'm not talking Democrats vs Republican here when I say liberal or conservative, but a general approach to the world. You can clearly see in this man's profile, as I imagine you can find in most Imagineers', his entire identity comes from products and politics rather than religion, tradition, culture, and history.
Feel free to argue but I've seen it over and over with WDI, enough to make the comparison clear and obvious.
lazyboy97o
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It’s easy if you think your audience is nothing but a bunch of idiots who like stupid theme parks.
Mac Tonight
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britain
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I pretty much agree with you in general, the parks are no longer the creation of a single American with his personal world view. They are still crafted to be imaginative & happy places, but unfortunately it is done through the filter of a corporation that is hoping to copy & paste their creative in the U.S., Europe and China. (At least Disney seems uninterested with doing business in the middle east, for now.)
But refocusing back at the mini-issue at hand, I think the case could be made that there's good thought and care going into this ride. Especially if you compare with the HK Antman ride, which appears to be very similar, storywise. This has much more of the fun-loving vibe of the doodling-in-the-margins-of-your-trapper-keeper SpiderMan Homecoming end credits. It doesn't look like stodgy Hank Pym works here, nor does it look like the uh, Pandorian, scientists, uh, work here. And it definitely doesn't look like the Ragnarokian / Guardian ToT. It looks like a place where Peter and Ned experiment on stuff, stay up too late playing video games, and wake up with just 5 min before a presentation to Mr. Stark.
Now all of those examples I cited are "tech compound". And sure, if instead the concept was, "fighting crime in the nighttime alleys and high-rises of New York" then there would be much more variety between the attractions. But somewhere, a very small handful of executives have made some decisions. If I was a concept artist for WDI, would I leave in a huff because they aren't trying to top IoA's SpiderMan attraction? Or would I work to make this idea (as flawed as it may be) as good as it can be?
At times like this, I really feel for Tim Delaney.
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ParkPeeker
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I don’t see the problem with that rant. I disagree with all the name calling being done, just because of frustration tweets. You guys are acting like he’s the one responsible for this project. He’s just part of the team, he doesn’t make all the decisions, he does his job the best he can. And now it’s harder to do his job and work with his team
mickEblu
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But so you really think the executives are making the creative decision on what the Spiderman ride needs to be?
ParkPeeker
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There’s economic feasibility. I’m sure there are a ton of other things too. This guy is a concept artist.
britain
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I really think the executives are the ones saying:
1) It needs to be in DCA, not in a 3rd gate, so make it fit.
2) It needs to be SpiderMan, since he's the most popular Marvel character as far as merchandise goes.
3) Avengers is a brand we own 100%, not exactly so with Spidey. Down the line Sony could drag his brand through the muck, so don't make SpiderMan the RotR-sized E-ticket for the land. Make his attraction somewhat easy to replace if the need arises. The Avengers attraction can be more ambitious (and besides, the Avengers films are more popular and more populated, so it should take up more space than Spidey).
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mickEblu
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Agreed on all 3 but the execs aren’t telling them to theme this ride to a warehouse. Why does lower budget always have to be industrial? Or how much more money would it cost for this ride to be suspended? Just something to differentiate more from TSMM.
mickEblu
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They need someone that’s savvy with some balls and vision in WDI. Someone who can say cut out the Dr Strange show and a couple other things and make the Spiderman ride suspended.
If your hands are tied down with the budget then focus on making what is there a great experience. Not squeezing everything you can out of the budget.
If your hands are tied down with the budget then focus on making what is there a great experience. Not squeezing everything you can out of the budget.
Suspirian
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This isn’t ridiculous at all
lazyboy97o
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It’s not just a budget that has to be met, but also a program.
mickEblu
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Can you please elaborate?
Lintemuthstudios
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If this land fails, what are the chances that the the creatives behind all the recent Disney attractions get fired? Because it seems like most of the recent additions haven't lived up to the hype.