Avengers Campus: E-Watch! (Waiting on the new ride)

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Not sure what’s so funny or confusing. It makes perfect sense.
I didn't say it was confusing, just funny your thought process on why it makes sense now and it didn't before.

An English bear in a land themed to the US south named Critter Country makes the same sense as it does in a land themed to the US south now named Bayou Country. The land name wasn't the issue before in terms of Pooh's placement, so don't know why it was now. If it was such an issue now, should have been back then too.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

Well-Known Member
As someone who can't stand Galaxy's Edge for many reasons, I'd be totally down with changing it into 5 different areas - or eras. Have a Mando area (SR), a ST area (ROTR), then add a PT area, an OT area, and a cartoon area featuring Ahsoka, have the appropriate characters and music in all locations and BRING BACK JEDI TRAINING ACADEMY for the kids and just maybe they'd finally have a decent Star Wars land.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
As someone who can't stand Galaxy's Edge for many reasons, I'd be totally down with changing it into 5 different areas - or eras. Have a Mando area (SR), a ST area (ROTR), then add a PT area, an OT area, and a cartoon area featuring Ahsoka, have the appropriate characters and music in all locations and BRING BACK JEDI TRAINING ACADEMY for the kids and just maybe they'd finally have a decent Star Wars land.
How about no.....
 

britain

Well-Known Member
OK, I’ll play. This could be fun…

The entrances from big thunder area could become Tattooine. They could even add a little bit of Tattooine on the Big Thunder side of the portal closest to Fantasyland since it has some empty space. This would be a concession that they are dropping the heavy duty, “portals must separate my peas and carrots!” type of thinking, and go with the more natural “Pinocchio Village becomes Rose Tavern becomes Big Thunder Trail becomes Tattooine Outpost” style of theme park design that would be necessary if they are going to make similar transitions on the inside of the Star Wars land as well.

Millennium Falcon area could become Navarro (since Mando is being added to the story, and since Jon Favreau has made Navarro look A LOT like that area of the land already).

Here’s an idea I think would not break the bank, but would go a real long way to making the core fans happy: I’d convert the southern most east-west corridor into an interior space for a “Legend of Luke Skywalker” walk-through attraction. Think Sleeping Beauty but less “doll-like” and more like legit windows onto actual views of the highlights of the original trilogy. (Might have to be multi layered screens set within miniatures if the animatronics don’t work at the mini scale.). Imagine how you could walk through a chilly Hoth corridor to peek at his fight against the wampa, and transition to a rain-foresty Degobah, and then a few ominous dark Besbin hallways to witness his first battle with Vader. The main idea is to give guests enough “flavors” of the best locations missing from the land without going on the fool’s errand of adding a “Hoth Corner” and a “Cloud City Corner”. These few rooms, with temperature control, lighting, music, and the right set design will invoke the right vibes. AND it’s plainly an homage to the Original Trilogy which will be just the thing for old OG Star Wars fans who are paying for the trip but are (like me) are less and less likely to get on rides that hurt our backs.

It was already mentioned, but yes, I’d figure out a way to make room for the western most part of the land accommodate an Endor speeder bike attraction, but I don’t think taking over Pooh will suffice. (Could a launch tunnel over Disneyland Drive into a gravity building in the north DL Forward area work?)

AND YES! JEDI TRAINING ACADEMY MUST RETURN!
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
I didn't say it was confusing, just funny your thought process on why it makes sense now and it didn't before.

An English bear in a land themed to the US south named Critter Country makes the same sense as it does in a land themed to the US south now named Bayou Country. The land name wasn't the issue before in terms of Pooh's placement, so don't know why it was now. If it was such an issue now, should have been back then too.

It’s pretty simple. Does the setting of Critter Country outside of the Pooh ride look like the Hundred Acre Woods? Yes. Does it look like a Bayou? Does Pooh belong in a land with Bayou in the name? No. Bayou is much more specific than Country. The Hundred Acre Woods is in the Country… somewhere. Also who ever said Critter Country was themed to the South? Just becasue SOTS took place there? The land was designed more Pacific Northwest for Bear Country/ CBJ.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
OK, I’ll play. This could be fun…

The entrances from big thunder area could become Tattooine. They could even add a little bit of Tattooine on the Big Thunder side of the portal closest to Fantasyland since it has some empty space. This would be a concession that they are dropping the heavy duty, “portals must separate my peas and carrots!” type of thinking, and go with the more natural “Pinocchio Village becomes Rose Tavern becomes Big Thunder Trail becomes Tattooine Outpost” style of theme park design that would be necessary if they are going to make similar transitions on the inside of the Star Wars land as well.

Millennium Falcon area could become Navarro (since Mando is being added to the story, and since Jon Favreau has made Navarro look A LOT like that area of the land already).

Here’s an idea I think would not break the bank, but would go a real long way to making the core fans happy: I’d convert the southern most east-west corridor into an interior space for a “The Legend of Luke Skywalker” walk-through attraction. Think Sleeping Beauty but less “doll-like” and more like legit windows onto actual views of the highlights of the original trilogy. (Might have to be multi layered screens set within miniatures if the animatronics don’t work at the mini scale.). Imagine how you could walk through a chilly Hoth corridor to peek at his fight against the wampa, and transition to a rain-foresty Degobah, and then a few ominous dark Besbin hallways to witness his first battle with Vader. The main idea is to give guests enough “flavors” of the best locations missing from the land without going on the fool’s errand of adding a “Hoth Corner” and a “Cloud City Corner”. These few rooms, with temperature control, lighting, music, and the right set design will invoke the right vibes. AND it’s plainly an homage to the Original Trilogy which will be just the thing for old OG Star Wars fans who are paying for the trip but are (like me) are less and less likely to get on rides that hurt our backs.

It was already mentioned, but yes, I’d figure out a way to make room for the western most part of the land accommodate an Endor speeder bike attraction, but I don’t think taking over Pooh will suffice. (Could a launch tunnel over Disneyland Drive into a gravity building in the north DL Forward area work?)

AND YES! JEDI TRAINING ACADEMY MUST RETURN!

Yeah Navarro is what I was thinking if they go with Tatooine as part of the new area in the expansion pad. If there is no expansion pad involved then I think they should go Tatooine there. With that said Batuu is Tatooine- esque but it would require a little work to get there and it’s not necessarily an aesthetic I really care for. So I’d rather have them put Tatooine in the new area.

Launch tunnel to DL Forward for the Endor Coaster is the move!! Nobody wants to see those tracks from Critter/ Bayou country anyway.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
It’s pretty simple. Does the setting of Critter Country outside of the Pooh ride look like the Hundred Acre Woods? Yes. Does it look like a Bayou? Does Pooh belong in a land with Bayou in the name? No. Bayou is much more specific than Country. The Hundred Acre Woods is in the Country… somewhere. Also who ever said Critter Country was themed to the South? Just becasue SOTS took place there? The land was designed more Pacific Northwest for Bear Country/ CBJ.
It was always said on many forums I've visited over the years that Critter Country was meant to take place in the south to coincide with Splash after its change from Bear Country. And even if Bear Country was set in the PNW and Critter Country kept that, Pooh makes even less sense then, as it an attraction for an English bear set in the English woods. The Hundred Acre Woods is based on a real location in England, not the PNW. Its a real stretch to say it worked because its "woods".

Basically Pooh never made sense in the land to begin with, so it makes the same amount of sense in Bayou Country. So if it was fine before it should be fine now.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I'd hate to see your reaction if they suggested creating a land featuring Alice in Wonderland, Snow White, Pinocchio, Mr. Toad, Dumbo, Sword in the Stone and Sleeping Beauty and called it something generic like "A Land of Fantasy". ;)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to the idea on its merits. If it was built that way from the beginning of the lands inception I'd be fine with it. I'm opposed to the idea of slicing and dicing the existing land that was purpose built around a specific concept.

But hey I haven't seen any concept art or any specifics on how it would work so maybe, if this is even real, it'll work out. I just don't see it based on how its described currently, especially when it appears to be transitions back and forth to Batuu in places. It just seems like it'll be a convoluted mess.
 

AZDLR

Member
Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to the idea on its merits. If it was built that way from the beginning of the lands inception I'd be fine with it. I'm opposed to the idea of slicing and dicing the existing land that was purpose built around a specific concept.

But hey I haven't seen any concept art or any specifics on how it would work so maybe, if this is even real, it'll work out. I just don't see it based on how its described currently, especially when it appears to be transitions back and forth to Batuu in places. It just seems like it'll be a convoluted mess.
If they expand galaxy's edge then maybe they could use part of the river area if they are willing to get rid of it like they are doing at MK. Adding locals sounds cool but to me the area needs en exciting ride since they have 2 immersive rides. I would love to see them take a version of the RSR ride system and make a POD race! Have the two announcers from the phantom menace and have the tracks separate for a portion so there are two different ride experiences. That ride could be in a different local than batuu. Maybe with a tunnel from batuu under the train tracks with a tattooine themed area when you come out of it.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
If they expand galaxy's edge then maybe they could use part of the river area if they are willing to get rid of it like they are doing at MK. Adding locals sounds cool but to me the area needs en exciting ride since they have 2 immersive rides. I would love to see them take a version of the RSR ride system and make a POD race! Have the two announcers from the phantom menace and have the tracks separate for a portion so there are two different ride experiences. That ride could be in a different local than batuu. Maybe with a tunnel from batuu under the train tracks with a tattooine themed area when you come out of it.
You saying getting rid of the RoA for the project is probably a bridge too far for many here, including @mickEblu who seemed to be into the idea of making changes to GE, probably not now if that is part of the project.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I’d be done with them. They better not even think about it.
Lol, not sure why you gave my post an angry emoji, I'm not the one that suggested it. Put that on the poster who suggested it. I'm just commenting on their post that it wouldn't go over well.

Anyways, yeah I think that would probably be the end for a lot of people here. Not sure how I'd feel about it yet, but would probably ultimately feel the same way.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Lol, not sure why you gave my post an angry emoji, I'm not the one that suggested it. Put that on the poster who suggested it. I'm just commenting on their post that it wouldn't go over well.

Anyways, yeah I think that would probably be the end for a lot of people here. Not sure how I'd feel about it yet, but would probably ultimately feel the same way.

Lol I don’t like that you brought my attention to that hideous thought.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

Well-Known Member
Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to the idea on its merits. If it was built that way from the beginning of the lands inception I'd be fine with it. I'm opposed to the idea of slicing and dicing the existing land that was purpose built around a specific concept.

But hey I haven't seen any concept art or any specifics on how it would work so maybe, if this is even real, it'll work out. I just don't see it based on how its described currently, especially when it appears to be transitions back and forth to Batuu in places. It just seems like it'll be a convoluted mess.
Some might argue it already is a mess. Or at least a miss. ;) I'll take convoluted if it means the land has John Williams music and all the characters and entertainment that people want to see. :D

Again, the parks are filled with lands with unrelated attractions and characters right next to each other. Do you object to Space Mountain being next door to Star Tours? Stitch appearing in the same land as Darth Vader? Or if you want to go with a more "immersive" single themed area - Midway Mania between Emotional Whirlwind and the Incredicoaster? Woody and Bo Peep greeting guests near Sadness and Joy? Then why is there an issue with Rey and Kylo appearing in one area, Padme and Anakin in another, Vader and Chewbacca in another, Mando and Grogu in another and Ahsoka and Sabine in another - in the same land at the same time? Give the fans of ALL of Star Wars a piece of the Star Wars land instead of saying they can't see all of the characters they want to see there.

Does ANYONE actually care about Batuu or the Black Spire Outpost? Or do they care about Star Wars? The place should be the backdrop to GIVE PEOPLE STAR WARS! :p

Folks here may not appreciate Avengers Campus the way I do, but nobody is telling a little kid they can't meet Iron Man or both versions of Captain America or Black Panther there because they're not in the correct timeline or they are not actually in New York City or Wakanda. ;) Which is why Avengers Campus is better than Galaxy's Edge IMO. :)
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Some might argue it already is a mess. Or at least a miss. ;) I'll take convoluted if it means the land has John Williams music and all the characters and entertainment that people want to see. :D

Again, the parks are filled with lands with unrelated attractions and characters right next to each other. Do you object to Space Mountain being next door to Star Tours? Stitch appearing in the same land as Darth Vader? Or if you want to go with a more "immersive" single themed area - Midway Mania between Emotional Whirlwind and the Incredicoaster? Woody and Bo Peep greeting guests near Sadness and Joy? Then why is there an issue with Rey and Kylo appearing in one area, Padme and Anakin in another, Vader and Chewbacca in another, Mando and Grogu in another and Ahsoka and Sabine in another - in the same land at the same time? Give the fans of ALL of Star Wars a piece of the Star Wars land instead of saying they can't see all of the characters they want to see there.

Does ANYONE actually care about Batuu or the Black Spire Outpost? Or do they care about Star Wars? The place should be the backdrop to GIVE PEOPLE STAR WARS! :p

Folks here may not appreciate Avengers Campus the way I do, but nobody is telling a little kid they can't meet Iron Man or both versions of Captain America or Black Panther there because they're not in the correct timeline or they are not actually in New York City or Wakanda. ;) Which is why Avengers Campus is better than Galaxy's Edge IMO. :)
I think you misunderstand my point. So in this case it seem the most important thing is the characters in the land for you, not really the land itself. Which given your posting about your character interactions makes sense. So I never said I had an issue with removing the era restrictions and having all era of SW characters in the land. Put Darth next to Kylo in a M&G for all I care. For that matter put pod racing young Anakin next to sand hating youngling killing teen Anakin next Vadar and have them all interact with each other in a M&G, it wouldn't matter to me. That is not my issue, I've said before removing the era restriction would be good, so do it. You don't need change anything with the land in order to do that, other than removing the ficitious era restriction that Disney put on the land. So remove it, and that appears to fix most if not all your issues with the land. So yep, add them all tomorrow and I'd be all for it.

My issue with the project was slicing and dicing the land up that is currently purpose built for Batuu, especially the way it was described with Batuu still being the locale for the 2 attractions (as I understood it being described anyways). So that means for this project, again if its real, means to have you go from one new locale at one entrance to Batuu for Rise, to another new locale (presumably where the market and food court are), back to Batuu for Smugglers Run, to another new locale at the other entrance. That is a mess, a very confusing convoluted mess that makes no sense. At that point you might as well just raze the entire land and start over and build it as 3-5 different purpose built areas.

So I have no issues with changing the land, especially if its to add more characters from all eras of SW. But what I don't want is this spaghetti thrown at the wall type of project that just tries to shove mini-lands into the area that don't make sense. Trust me I can wrap my head around almost all of Disney decisions, even those that many here don't agree with and even hate, but this I can't wrap my head around, it makes no sense.
 

AZDLR

Member
You saying getting rid of the RoA for the project is probably a bridge too far for many here, including @mickEblu who seemed to be into the idea of making changes to GE, probably not now if that is part of the project.
And maybe not even getting rid of it but getting rid of the canoes and just cutting off one side. Where the ship and ferry are stationary. I like the esthetic of the river area but as far as an attraction my family has gone at least 12 or 13 times the past decade and never gone on any of them. Tom sawyers island included. I am surprised they got rid of it in FL where they have a lot of land and 4 under utilized parks. But in CA where space is it a premium that may eventually be a decision they'll have to face. I'm sure not in at least the next decade or so though. They may be able to expand GE without that area if they move some back lot stuff. Not sure how movable all that is.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
And maybe not even getting rid of it but getting rid of the canoes and just cutting off one side. Where the ship and ferry are stationary. I like the esthetic of the river area but as far as an attraction my family has gone at least 12 or 13 times the past decade and never gone on any of them. Tom sawyers island included. I am surprised they got rid of it in FL where they have a lot of land and 4 under utilized parks. But in CA where space is it a premium that may eventually be a decision they'll have to face. I'm sure not in at least the next decade or so though. They may be able to expand GE without that area if they move some back lot stuff. Not sure how movable all that is.
Again I think even just that would be a bridge too far for many Disney fans. You should have seen all the uproar here when they just shortened RoA for GE, and now you're suggesting removing even just the back side of it, yeah many would not be happy about it.

They have a whole lot space they could add to GE before they would even need to touch RoA. For example Pooh and the other unused area around there is at least another almost 2 acre. Adding that to the already 14 acres for GE and you have enough space with 16 acres. And that doesn't even mention area they can claim via DLForward if they wanted to. That is a huge plot of land they can use for expanding GE if they wanted, and didn't require touching RoA at all.
 

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