Avatar the ride

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ILLmaticS0ldier

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Universal isn't going to "lose" the Marvel characters. They'll stop using them when they feel like it, probably many years from now. Avatar would be a distant memory. Possibly already come and gone as a theme park attraction.


Well if that was the case than why is it that there still is a peterpan ride and and dumbo ride etc.??? ther eperfect exmaples that something doesn't have to to be "new". Those rides are goign to be there forever!! Why coudn't an avatar ride be there forever?
 

JT3000

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Well if that was the case than why is it that there still is a peterpan ride and and dumbo ride etc.??? ther eperfect exmaples that something doesn't have to to be "new". Those rides are goign to be there forever!! Why coudn't an avatar ride be there forever?

Avatar is brand new. It has not yet proven to be a classic - neither as a film nor as an attraction.
 

AndyMagic

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Avatar is brand new. It has not yet proven to be a classic - neither as a film nor as an attraction.

It's already the second highest grossing film in history only behind Cameron's Titanic and some people say it could pass Titanic in the coming months. I'm sorry but what movie in the top 20 highest grossing hasn't stood the test of time? ET? Jurassic Park? Lord of the Rings? Jaws? Star Wars? Indiana Jones? I think it is pretty safe to say that Avatar will indeed become a classic. There is very little doubt about that. Word of mouth is huge which is why the film continues to have amazing hold-over grosses from week to week. All those people aren't going to suddenly dislike or forget about it in 10 years. Not to mention, there are plenty of classic theme park rides that are based on movies that are no longer well liked and certainly not "classics" anyway. Splash Mountain comes to mind as does Mummy. If the ride is amazing, people will ride it regardless of how stale the franchise becomes.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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I disagree. It's a great movie- well, great might be an understatement. The scope on it is unbelievable. Pandora is gorgeous, the characters are likable, the plot is in depth but simple. Seemingly a made up story- no past books, no history, no nothing to back it up. But it still was successful. And I don't mean to sound sappy- but with this horrible economy I'm very surprised this is already one of the top grossing films EVER. It's amazing.
Ummm...What!? Have you ever stepped foot in a American History class? Or watched the news? :lookaroun
 

ewensell3

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While I'd like to see Disney do this, I fear that in the current state all we'd get is an overlay on "Sum of All Thrills". Something like "Avatar World" inside the old WoL building would be great, but I don't think it would fit in well with the rest of EPCOT. It would definitely have to be a Studios attraction.

Universal might handle it better, but they are not in much of a position to do a proper buildout either. They'd need to get some mileage on Harry Potter land before taking on another major project.
 

Testtrack321

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It's already the second highest grossing film in history only behind Cameron's Titanic and some people say it could pass Titanic in the coming months. I'm sorry but what movie in the top 20 highest grossing hasn't stood the test of time? ET? Jurassic Park? Lord of the Rings? Jaws? Star Wars? Indiana Jones? I think it is pretty safe to say that Avatar will indeed become a classic.

It's going to make more than Titanic based on increased ticket price and the fact they're tacking an additional $1-3 onto the price for 3D/IMAX.

And if box office returns are a sign of being a "classic", what about Doctor Zhivago. Ever heard of it?

Oh, and if money + popularity = amusement park ride OMGGG!!!!! where is our Titanic attraction?
 

fosse76

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It is flimsy because it requires no effort (in the storytelling department) whatsoever. We've seen this story told time and time again (Dances With Wolves anyone?). Just because it's a retelling of something that has happened before doesn't make it good. It's shortcomings in a stale and predictable story would have been helped by interesting characters, which unfortunately were nowhere to be found.

Oh, and Sam Worthington is the most bland and boring actor since Vin Diesel. How he continues to get all these leading roles is quite the enigma.

This is all of course my very humble opinion. :wave:

You can say that again. While it may be a visually stunning piece of work, it's a very formulaic movie:

The protaganist is a "jock-type" who isn't "smart" and is forced to work with scientists, who are annoyed to have to work with him. And the scientists are at odds with the industrial complex whose goals are to move the "natives." Yeah, that's original.

The protaganist puts himself in danger by way of his own arogance and manages to meet a native who, for reasons passing understanding, saves him from death. He forces himself into conversation with her. Seen it all before.

One or two of the natives seem willing to accept him into their lives, though for some ridiculous reason not the scientists, while the remaining native population despise and distrust him. The leader of the human industrial complex asks our protaganist to serve as a spy and work for him to get the natives out of the way. Typical. We've seen it before.

The protaganist proves himself to the natives, winning the heart of one, but still distrusted by a few. Almost in every movie ever made.

The natives discover his motives and shun him. He wins them back by doing something thought to be "crazy" (which is set up earlier and is seen by anyone with comprehension skills then). And then he fights with them. Yup, seen that before too.

The plot is so unoriginal Hollywood should be glad there aren't any copyright laws on basic plot! That all said, I think it would be a great themed area for either Universal Studios or DAK. It could replace Camp Minnie-Mickey, the most useless area in all of Disney World.
 

fosse76

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A couple points I'd like to mention. James Cameron in an interview said that he loved what Disney was doing with 3-D. He thinks they really started paving the way for the 3-D films that we have today. Also, Cameron's last two films before Avatar were made with Disney(Ghosts of the Abyss, and Aliens of the Deep{Buena Vista}). If anyone wants to see it, it was in a conversation with Jon Landeau(Cameron's producer). It was like an hour talk where they really only talked about how Microsoft helped them make the movie.

The only reason I bring it up is because I remember seeing on a WDW tv special that George Lucas said the only company he would want his products in would be Disney because of "leadership in products". I don't know the exact wording but I think it was Tony Baxter that talked about it.

Star Tours wasn't even high tech when it debuted, and its upgrade will just bring current technology to it (long past due). Plus, Disney gets a lot of help from outside companies, but doesn't allow those companies to mention it.

Somehow I think if Cameron wants to sell the rights of Avatar to a park, it would be Disney. I just think they have more creative power to offer him then Universal. And when it came to Avatar, he favored the creative aspect more then the finance aspect. He talked about how he went with ubisoft to make the Avatar game because they were more intrested in the creative side then the money. So I guess in the end, whoever offers the most creative possiblities will get Avatar rights.

Then Disney doesn't have a shot. JK Rowling publicly stated in interviews that the reason she went with Universal's proposals for Harry Potter were because Disney wouldn't give her any creative control. Disney in notorious for usurping copyrights on characters they licensed (Winnie The Pooh comes to mind) and shutting out the creator. She has to approve everything Universal does with Harry Potter. Disney wouldn't give her that.
 

ILLmaticS0ldier

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Star Tours wasn't even high tech when it debuted, and its upgrade will just bring current technology to it (long past due). Plus, Disney gets a lot of help from outside companies, but doesn't allow those companies to mention it.



Then Disney doesn't have a shot. JK Rowling publicly stated in interviews that the reason she went with Universal's proposals for Harry Potter were because Disney wouldn't give her any creative control. Disney in notorious for usurping copyrights on characters they licensed (Winnie The Pooh comes to mind) and shutting out the creator. She has to approve everything Universal does with Harry Potter. Disney wouldn't give her that.


Well lets see if Disney is deperate enough to attract yuonger audiences!
 

wm49rs

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Universal isn't going to "lose" the Marvel characters. They'll stop using them when they feel like it, probably many years from now. Avatar would be a distant memory. Possibly already come and gone as a theme park attraction.

You could say that Harry Potter would be a distant memory by then too, but Universal is still building an entire land around the series. Bottom line is that Universal's rights to their Marvel characters will end eventually, and they have to plan accordingly for that time. And with an Avatar sequel already in the works, Universal would be very wise to lock up the rights now, and prevent Disney from taking anything more from them.....
 

Exprcoofto

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You could say that Harry Potter would be a distant memory by then too, but Universal is still building an entire land around the series. Bottom line is that Universal's rights to their Marvel characters will end eventually, and they have to plan accordingly for that time. And with an Avatar sequel already in the works, Universal would be very wise to lock up the rights now, and prevent Disney from taking anything more from them.....

or it would be wise for Disney to lock up the rights and prevent Universal from taking them...

For a WDW fan based site, I'm surprised how many want Universal to grab Avatar.
 

wm49rs

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or it would be wise for Disney to lock up the rights and prevent Universal from taking them...

For a WDW fan based site, I'm surprised how many want Universal to grab Avatar.

I don't know; I suppose some could argue Avatar doesn't fit into Disney theming somehow. I'm not saying that's my opinion, just an argument that might be made....:shrug:
 

_Scar

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or it would be wise for Disney to lock up the rights and prevent Universal from taking them...

For a WDW fan based site, I'm surprised how many want Universal to grab Avatar.

Universal will give the control to James and a large budget. So, yes, Uni should snatch it up. Make Pandora Island or something.

Plus, Avatar doesn't really target what Disney needs. The boys category.
 

fosse76

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You could say that Harry Potter would be a distant memory by then too, but Universal is still building an entire land around the series. Bottom line is that Universal's rights to their Marvel characters will end eventually, and they have to plan accordingly for that time.

According to a press statement from Universal at the time the merger was announced, Universal only loses the rights if they stop using them in the parks (i.e., if they removed Spiderman, they'd lose the rights to Spiderman).

And with an Avatar sequel already in the works, Universal would be very wise to lock up the rights now, and prevent Disney from taking anything more from them.....

And that's why Universal won't give up the Marvel themeing as well...Disney owns them but can't use them, and makes very minimal money off those brands at best.
 

Testtrack321

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You could say that Harry Potter would be a distant memory by then too, but Universal is still building an entire land around the series. Bottom line is that Universal's rights to their Marvel characters will end eventually, and they have to plan accordingly for that time. And with an Avatar sequel already in the works, Universal would be very wise to lock up the rights now, and prevent Disney from taking anything more from them.....

This is just crazy. Harry Potter has books, movies, and way more than one big budget movie behind it. Avatar is one movie. This is just ridiculous...
 

Exprcoofto

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I don't know; I suppose some could argue Avatar doesn't fit into Disney theming somehow. I'm not saying that's my opinion, just an argument that might be made....:shrug:

Some could argue that Indy & Star Wars really doesn't fit into the Disney theming either. Both weren't Disney made, both were really popular, both had multiple movies. I'm thinking thats what will happen with Avatar.

Universal will give the control to James and a large budget. So, yes, Uni should snatch it up. Make Pandora Island or something.

Plus, Avatar doesn't really target what Disney needs. The boys category.

I would love to see the demographics for Avatar. I know from looking at some Avatar fan sites, a lot of the fans are male. However, thats just one website.

If Uni was to snatch it, it would best fit in IoA which is running out of space. For a "big budget" that Uni would give him (which we're not sure they would), that means that space needs to be available. Take a look around IoA, nothing really available for a "land".

--Don't get me wrong, Uni can do a great job, but I feel Disney can equally do it too.
 

SirGoofy

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Avatar doesn't have cartoon characters in it, so obviously Disney would never make a ride out of it.

I'm sure Uni would do a bang-up job with it, though. Although I don't know where they could thematically put it.
 

Exprcoofto

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Avatar doesn't have cartoon characters in it, so obviously Disney would never make a ride out of it.

I never saw any cartoon characters in Indy & Star Wars (until they recently came out with the animated versions :hurl:)

The real issue I see here is placement. Disney or Uni, it doesn't really fit anywhere.
 

SirGoofy

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I never saw any cartoon characters in Indy & Star Wars (until they recently came out with the animated versions :hurl:)

Those rides are 20 years old. I doubt you'd see anything like them built by the WDC outside Tokyo anytime soon.

Just look at the upcoming lineups for the North American parks.
 
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