CaptainAmerica
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The internet already hates Avatar. It's not a movie for the terminally Online, it's a movie for normies.
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Avatar (the movie) and its Sequels
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Disney Irish
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I have no problem with the title of 3.
I wouldn't be surprised if 4 is 2027 and 5 is 2029/2030.
Jedijax719
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This movie is having the same effect as the first one which is why it will keep going and going. It's the "okay, I may as well find a day to go see it since it's such an experience". Probably what I am going to do at some point.
BrianLo
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They were expecting a Marvel or Star Wars opening weekend. Or at least a bit more loaded that way. On top of the quoted obscene budget.
Avatar didn’t really have that great of an opening weekend, to be fair to the industry. There’s a reason we keep seeing its predictions slowly dialed up and up. Even there was grumbling about how Rogue One did (much better start) and then there was some relief at its post Christmas holds for that movie from my memory.
Top Gun is actually an excellent domestic comp. Except there was no ‘pressure’ for Top Gun to make back its budget week one like there are with marvel and Star Wars.
CaptainAmerica
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CaptainAmerica
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Wendy Pleakley
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The HFR has been something many people dislike, but this comment on Reddit (not verified as coming from JC of course) explains why is was used, and I can see it being true. I saw the movie in laser digital 3D and never felt any fatigue towards the 3D image. Filming it in native 3D helped too I'm sure, but it's clear Cameron knows what he's doing when it comes to presentation.
"Someone asked Cameron about the HFR, and he gave a thorough and insightful answer. Remember that feeling in Avatar 1 when you felt like the 3D gave you a headache, fatigue, or just uneasiness? Well, his team spent years researching exactly why that happened, and it turns out that vertical wide shot parallax combined with 24fps resulted in enough of a left/right vertical strobe that it hurt the brain to comprehend. Remember, at the time, Avatar was breaking new ground so it's not like they had years to run R&D tests on the public. The solution to the strobe effect was to double the frame rate. It immediately eliminates that sense of 3D fatigue. Cameron was the first to admit that he wasn't a huge fan of the format, but it was essential to keep audiences engaged, so that's why he chose not to use it the entire movie. Creatively, he said he chose to use the effect for every underwater sequence to separate the two worlds and to heighten the realism of the underwater effects, but above water he only used it when necessary. He even went on to say that since watching it at our screening he saw some shots he wished he had kept at 24fps."
"Someone asked Cameron about the HFR, and he gave a thorough and insightful answer. Remember that feeling in Avatar 1 when you felt like the 3D gave you a headache, fatigue, or just uneasiness? Well, his team spent years researching exactly why that happened, and it turns out that vertical wide shot parallax combined with 24fps resulted in enough of a left/right vertical strobe that it hurt the brain to comprehend. Remember, at the time, Avatar was breaking new ground so it's not like they had years to run R&D tests on the public. The solution to the strobe effect was to double the frame rate. It immediately eliminates that sense of 3D fatigue. Cameron was the first to admit that he wasn't a huge fan of the format, but it was essential to keep audiences engaged, so that's why he chose not to use it the entire movie. Creatively, he said he chose to use the effect for every underwater sequence to separate the two worlds and to heighten the realism of the underwater effects, but above water he only used it when necessary. He even went on to say that since watching it at our screening he saw some shots he wished he had kept at 24fps."
CaptainAmerica
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My beef with the HFR is that it felt very video-gamey. The train crash and any of the ikran scenes were especially bad. The water parts looked good. The gunplay looked amazing.
Wendy Pleakley
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I can't say I see a lot of bufoonish characters in shows and movies. Maybe I just avoid shows that rely on those lazy characterizations to generate cheap laughs.
Still, Kudos to Cameron for not being lazy and giving us dumb or stereotypical characters to generate cheap laughs or whatever, but that doesn't change my opinion that the family stuff and overall story are still very basic.
The writing is good to be clear - the fact that a 3+ hour held my attention is no small feat. Compare that to something like the Michael Bay Transformers movies where the human segments are just bad and tedious, and you just want them to get to robots fighting and for the movie to be an hour shorter.
This is a great summary from a Reddit user on how the storytelling in Avatar is quite simple, but why it works for this franchise. I still wish the story and characters had a little more depth. It's what stops this franchise from generating passion the way Star Wars and Avengers movies do. Doesn't mean I don't love it and will have no hesitation seeing future installments.
CaptainAmerica
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Not just "characters." Fathers.
Why does TV portray every dad as a dimwit?
Somehow, in both big and small ways, in unwitting behaviours that corrode society, fathers and fatherhood have become a laughing stock.
On TV, Dads Are Idiots, and That's Not a Good Thing
On television shows, dads have been portrayed as incompetent dolts reflecting and encouraging a damaging attitude towards men and childcare.
www.theatlantic.com
Why Are TV Dads Such Buffoons?
Sitcom fathers rarely represent what being a parent is actually like. But does that matter?
www.menshealth.com
Why are most dads portrayed on sitcoms as buffoons?
Answer (1 of 12): The infotainment complex for many decades now has promoted politically correct scripts and stories . In such women children and minorities are to be revered and respected, so who is left ? That pretty much leaves adult men as the fall guy . Women were not in the workplace as muc...
Dumbing down Dad: How media present husbands, fathers as useless
If you happen to watch Nickelodeon, ABC, Fox or really any TV station or round of commercials, you've most likely witnessed the overbearing portrayal of the modern-day husband and father as lazy, incompetent and stupid.
www.deseret.com
CaptainAmerica
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Disney Analyst
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‘Avatar: The Way Of Water’ Moves Up To No. 9 On All-Time Global Chart With $1.547B
Avatar: The Way of Water has jumped into the No. 9 slot with Thursday’s grosses included, overtaking 'The Avengers' with $1.547B worldwide
deadline.com
Yeah many of the doubters look foolish…and after seeing the 2nd one… I now have confidence the third one will be a success as well
Ghost93
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You know I saw the movie in IMAX 3d, Dolby 3d, and regular RealD3 and I only noticed one or two shots where the frame rate seemed weird (near the end of the movie, the action seemed somewhat sped up). I see all this controversy about the high frame rate but I hardly noticed it any of the three times I saw the movie.
BrianLo
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I have no idea how high it's going, other than 2 billion seems very reachable. The holds for the last three days though were stellar (all time 3rd Sunday, Monday, Tuesday); I kind of feel like this may ramp into an all time highest 3rd week. It starts to shift us away from the excellent comp that was Rogue one and into more wild territory.
At this stage, I think it is surpassing Disney's most optimistic internal projections. Funny, since Wall Street declared it a failure on December 23rd.
CaptainAmerica
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Yeah, I think anyone who spent a few minutes thinking about it knew he was just being flippant. Though I've seen some speculation that Disney might be on the hook for a few hundred million more beyond what they've already paid to Lightstorm because the original deal between Cameron and 21CF didn't contemplate streaming rights.
Wendy Pleakley
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They'd better figure those streaming rights out.
Based on Disney's other movies this year Avatar should be on Disney+ by March at the latest
Based on Disney's other movies this year Avatar should be on Disney+ by March at the latest
Wendy Pleakley
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‘Avatar: The Way Of Water’ Moves Up To No. 9 On All-Time Global Chart With $1.547B
Avatar: The Way of Water has jumped into the No. 9 slot with Thursday’s grosses included, overtaking 'The Avengers' with $1.547B worldwide
Not taking inflation into account, it appears to be outperforming the first Avatar. Curious to see how what kind of legs this one has.
Avatar
www.boxofficemojo.com
Avatar: The Way of Water
www.boxofficemojo.com
CaptainAmerica
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This is such a fascinating study in "social media is not real life." If you spend 10 minutes on Twitter, you'll see all things Avatar get ignored or dragged through the mud. "It's just stupid blue smurf people; it's only about the FX; it has no cultural impact; where are all the memes; I don't know anyone who has actually seen this, etc." The moderators of r/movies have virtually banned discussion of the film.
Meanwhile in my office (mostly married, 30+, suburban/exurban/rural), the question is not "have you seen Avatar," the question is "how many times have you seen Avatar, and in what format(s)?"
Meanwhile in my office (mostly married, 30+, suburban/exurban/rural), the question is not "have you seen Avatar," the question is "how many times have you seen Avatar, and in what format(s)?"
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