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[CDavid]

Disney is printing money. That's all that matters.

No, it isn't. In fact, that's at the very core of all that's wrong with the Walt Disney company today.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

The things in your first paragraph are all fine and dandy. People enjoy those things. But they don't COME for those things. Potter is the draw. The rest is filler. Potter 2 is a DCA-esque tweak to fix an imbalance between the two parts.

Transformers is not a draw? While it's not Potter, it is a very popular IP that has been around for 30 years.

 

[Tim_4]

That's hilariously arrogant on Disney's part.

Is it arrogant if it's true?

Printing.

Money.

If they weren't, all the creative qualms you all have would be valid. But the waterfall of hundred dollar bills is drowning out your cries.

 

[jt04]

That's hilariously arrogant on Disney's part.

This statement is absurd. That the mouse is not reacting out of some sense of fear is a positive thing. The threat is not that great. Disney will react when they can do so with a quality technologically advanced product.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I'll put Transformers up against Avatar any day.

 

[Tim_4]

Transformers is not a draw? While it's not Potter, it is a very popular IP that has been around for 30 years.

It's a draw for locals and passholders who follow this stuff. But I don't think your average suburban family in Toledo gives a dang. It's too juvenile for many adults and too intense for younger children. It's fine to target teens and twenty-somethings but suburban families of four is where the money comes from.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

This statement is absurd. That the mouse is not reacting out of some sense of fear is a positive thing. The threat is not that great. Disney will react when they can do so with a quality technologically advanced product.

Like Under the Sea, Journey of the Little Mermaid?

 

[Tim_4]

I'll put Transformers up against Avatar any day.

With all due respect, Disney doesn't care what you think if your opinion is contrary to the observed patterns of guest behavior.

 

[SirLink]

I'll put Transformers up against Avatar any day.

Exactly.

 

[Lord_Vader]

I'll put Transformers up against Avatar any day.

Most parents will not plan a trip to see Transformers because it is most likely something they are interested in but they will spend $$$ because their daughter wants to ride the new Mermaid ride and eat in Beast's Castle.

 

[jt04]

Like Under the Sea, Journey of the Little Mermaid?

Not a direct reaction to Universal. Please keep up. Although the FLE is part of a long term upgrade to the MK IMO. It is a nice first step. Star Wars and Pandora will be the IP's to watch.

 

[misterID]

Is it arrogant if it's true?

Printing.

Money.

If they weren't, all the creative qualms you all have would be valid. But the waterfall of hundred dollar bills is drowning out your cries.

This thread has taken a hilarious turn. How fast credibility can disappear.

 

[MattM]

That's absurd. 10 billion isn't "back in shape" money, it's "build every fanboy's wet dream" money. All of DAK cost $1B originally. $4B could build a fifth and sixth gate, $2B could build four resorts. $2B for monorail expansion. Leaving $2B for getting "back in shape" money.

The Spirit folks lose a ton of credibility in a lot of people's eyes when they go off the deep end like that.

Exactly.

Just think of how much more Disney would have to charge in admission to spend $5-10 billion. Then all the fanbois/spirits would start complaining about how expensive things have become and then inevitably it's all corporate greed, etc.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat...

 

[Tim_4]

You guys got me. Uni is winning the battle for teenagers and college kids. If I'm a business, I'll take the $4,000 Family Suite guest with the Disney Dining Plan over the Miami of Ohio Phi Beta Kappa sorority girls doing "Spring Break on a budget."

 

[MattM]

For WDI $2billion improving four parks isn't enough. We end up with nothing of substance. I love how you love to disrespect our Spirited members but 8-10 billion in Disney hands doesn't build a whole lot.

Disagreement is disrespect? Hmm...

 

[MattM]

I know for a fact that the name "Pandora's Box" isn't a cultural/literary/mythological reference as most would suspect, nor is it a reference to Pandora from "Avatar". The guy who designed the ride system had a girlfriend named Pandora he was really into.......

She must have left a mark on him

 

[Atomicmickey]

Wait. Whoa.

I'm not an official traffic cop or anything, but this thread
just went from being very informative and entertaining to
another mire and muck of opinion and mudflinging.

Really, Tim has been generous in sharing info. Thanks for that.
But, opinions as to what Uni and Disney are/should/could be doing
are for the other thread, aren't they?

My current favorite thread is turning sour, and I'm sad about that.
Please, respectfully, take it outside.

Tim--any answer to my question about the scope of the "land" around
the attractions? That's what I want to hear about.

With hope . . .

 

[GLaDOS]

It's a draw for locals and passholders who follow this stuff. But I don't think your average suburban family in Toledo gives a dang. It's too juvenile for many adults and too intense for younger children. It's fine to target teens and twenty-somethings but suburban families of four is where the money comes from.

So a 2.7 billion dollar movie franchise is one that no one is interested in going to? Okay.

Listen, I hate Avatar, but it's obviously somewhat of a draw. To say Transformers has no draw what so ever is a desperate strawman argument.

 

[Tim_4]

This thread has taken a hilarious turn. How fast credibility can disappear.

Am I supposed to be butthurt over that? I honestly don't care if you believe what I post. I'm not sure how a different opinion than yours indicates a lack of credibility, but whatevs.

 

[Tim_4]

So a 2.7 billion dollar movie franchise is one that no one is interested in going to? Okay.

Listen, I hate Avatar, but it's obviously somewhat of a draw. To say Transformers has no draw what so ever is a desperate strawman argument.

This stuff isn't analyzed on an absolute basis. These decisions are made based on broad generalizations and sweeping assumptions. And yes, I firmly believe that the average family has no clue that Transformers is a thing at Universal Studios. Some people might be super jacked about it, but I believe that's a very small minority. Maybe I'm wrong.