DAK AVATAR progress

[Disneyhead'71]

Just a new fleet of 14 monorail trains to replace the 22 year old Mark VIIs would run close to $2B including the infrastructure/software upgrades to run them.

Then replacing all the stale entertainment offerings in all the parks (New daytime and nighttime parades at MK, replace Cinderellabration, new fireworks show at MK, replace Illuminations, new daytime parade at DAK, replace BatB, VotLM, and Indy Stunt Show, a new show for the F! arena, and a new daytime parade at DHS) would run $2+B.

So we are at $4+B and haven't addressed the existing transportation issues except to actually have a working monorail system and haven't added a new ride to ANY of the parks.

Throw in the rumored $1B going into DAK to make it a park that can actually stay open past sunset and we are already at $5+B. Then there is the mess known as DHS with it's 5 rides.

George K. has quite a mess to clean up that Meg left behind. The fact that TDO has sat idle for a decade is almost criminal.

 

[George]

$2 billion each for DAK and DHS? Furrealz? DCA was just "fixed" for half that and it was in far worse shape than any WDW park.

I dunno. Repair/maintenance/upgrade can be more expensive than building from scratch. I could easily see "billions" being spent on EPCOT without a new pavilion being added. Plus, I think DCA suffered from being right next to DL. I think we would have a different perception if it was plopped down in Florida. It wasn't the best park to look at, but it had a lot to do by WDW standards even before CarsLand.....

 

[Tim_4]

Yes, money for repairs and refurbs across the park(s) as well as significant expansion - BTW since when does half of 2 equal 1.5?

$1.5 is an erroneous assumption on your part.

 

[Tim_4]

Yes, money for repairs and refurbs across the park(s) as well as significant expansion - BTW since when does half of 2 equal 1.5?

Plus, DCA took what, five years? People here throw a hissy fit for any project that takes past next Tuesday to complete.

 

[jt04]

Plus, DCA took what, five years? People here throw a hissy fit for any project that takes past next Tuesday to complete.

It took a lot more than five years actually from start to finish. But you are asking for objectivity from those engaged in subjectivity.

As I said in the other thread, the anti-Pandora at DAK people are panicking. Heh heh. Fun to watch.

Potter swatter.

 

[xdan0920]

Plus, DCA took what, five years? People here throw a hissy fit for any project that takes past next Tuesday to complete.

I don't think it's quite that bad around here. But Disney does look bad when compared to the resort up the road when it comes to build out times. HP2 will be finished in 2014 for goodness sake. Disney purposely extends build times, it's not guest friendly, that's for sure. So, yeah, people complain.

 

[SirLink]

Just a new fleet of 14 monorail trains to replace the 22 year old Mark VIIs would run close to $2B including the infrastructure/software upgrades to run them.

Then replacing all the stale entertainment offerings in all the parks (New daytime and nighttime parades at MK, replace Cinderellabration, new fireworks show at MK, replace Illuminations, new daytime parade at DAK, replace BatB, VotLM, and Indy Stunt Show, a new show for the F! arena, and a new daytime parade at DHS) would run $2+B.

So we are at $4+B and haven't addressed the existing transportation issues except to actually have a working monorail system and haven't added a new ride to ANY of the parks.

Throw in the rumored $1B going into DAK to make it a park that can actually stay open past sunset and we are already at $5+B. Then there is the mess known as DHS with it's 5 rides.

George K. has quite a mess to clean up that Meg left behind. The fact that TDO has sat idle for a decade is almost criminal.

Exactly plus trying to adapt to the new Uni model - Disney could never build 3 E-Ticket attractions in 2.5 year time frame, but that is what Disney needs to do as well as produce killer attractions that redefine again Themed Entertainment.

 

[SirLink]

Plus, DCA took what, five years? People here throw a hissy fit for any project that takes past next Tuesday to complete.

2.5 years for HP: London with 2 E-tickets - when Disney can build that fast and produce the quality that Uni has been churning out then get back to me - Avatar 2017 Hah

 

[Tim_4]

2.5 years for HP: London with 2 E-tickets - when Disney can build that fast and produce the quality that Uni has been churning out then get back to me - Avatar 2017 Hah

I've said this before but I'll say it again. Potter isn't fast because Universal is good, Potter is fast because Universal is desperate. It's their ONLY play. Their creative process is easy because they have a grand total of one option. What to build? Potter. Done. It's also much easier to build the streets of London than the forrests of Pandora. Universal needs to expand to create demand. Disney HAS demand so their expansions are about accommodating the masses, not a panicked attempt to draw them in. Will NGE bring new guests to WDW? Probably not. But it should enhance the experience for the existing guests. Disney can afford to take their sweet time. Universal cannot.

 

[misterID]

2.5 years for HP: London with 2 E-tickets - when Disney can build that fast and produce the quality that Uni has been churning out then get back to me - Avatar 2017 Hah

Not to mention how much WDI gouges and mismanages during any construction process. Which really, isn't all that big of a deal. It's very easy to see an extensive refurb of existing attractions and new ones, in all areas of WDW soaring into the billions. DCA is a bad example to claim otherwise, as that was just one park, not an entire resport with 4 parks and transportation. And not as new as DCA.

Tim is starting to look really bad in these last couple pages.

 

[misterID]

I've said this before but I'll say it again. Potter isn't fast because Universal is good, Potter is fast because Universal is desperate. It's their ONLY play. Their creative process is easy because they have a grand total of one option. What to build? Potter. Done. It's also much easier to build the streets of London than the forrests of Pandora. Universal needs to expand to create demand. Disney HAS demand so their expansions are about accommodating the masses, not a panicked attempt to draw them in. Will NGE bring new guests to WDW? Probably not. But it should enhance the experience for the existing guests. Disney can afford to take their sweet time. Universal cannot.

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. UNI is only operating off of Panic? Not ambition?

Universal could take their time just off HP 2 expansion, they aren't. And it has and will pay of mightily.

 

[jt04]

I've said this before but I'll say it again. Potter isn't fast because Universal is good, Potter is fast because Universal is desperate. It's their ONLY play. Their creative process is easy because they have a grand total of one option. What to build? Potter. Done. It's also much easier to build the streets of London than the forrests of Pandora. Universal needs to expand to create demand. Disney HAS demand so their expansions are about accommodating the masses, not a panicked attempt to draw them in. Will NGE bring new guests to WDW? Probably not. But it should enhance the experience for the existing guests. Disney can afford to take their sweet time. Universal cannot.

It is also very important to point out that Disney could build attractions as fast as Universal if they out-sourced their processes as much as Uni does.

 

[SirLink]

I've said this before but I'll say it again. Potter isn't fast because Universal is good, Potter is fast because Universal is desperate. It's their ONLY play. Their creative process is easy because they have a grand total of one option. What to build? Potter. Done. It's also much easier to build the streets of London than the forrests of Pandora. Universal needs to expand to create demand. Disney HAS demand so their expansions are about accommodating the masses, not a panicked attempt to draw them in. Will NGE bring new guests to WDW? Probably not. But it should enhance the experience for the existing guests. Disney can afford to take their sweet time. Universal cannot.

The ... sheer idiocy in one post. I'm speechless.

 

[Tim_4]

Not to mention how much WDI gouges and mismanages during any construction process. Which really, isn't all that big of a deal. It's very easy to see an extensive refurb of existing attractions and new ones, in all areas of WDW soaring into the billions. DCA is a bad example to claim otherwise, as that was just one park, not an entire resport with 4 parks and transportation. And not as new as DCA.

Tim is starting to look really bad in these last couple pages.

Lol except I'm one of the only ones with any real information on this project. Can you guys go back to your "Spirited News" hole if all you have to contribute about Avatar is negativity?

 

[jt04]

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. UNI is only operating off of Panic? Not ambition?

Universal could take their time just off HP 2 expansion, they aren't. And it has and will pay of mightily.

Don't forget, the mouse will benefit in 2014 too. Fact.

Disney is not in a hurry because they prefer to take a 'wait and see' approach and then react. This also allows for the response to be more technologically advanced.

Sounds like good strategery to me.

D23.

 

[Tim_4]

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. UNI is only operating off of Panic? Not ambition?

Universal could take their time just off HP 2 expansion, they aren't. And it has and will pay of mightily.

The ... sheer idiocy in one post. I'm speechless.

Good talk. I can't tell if you guys are clueless or dishonest. Universal was BROKE before Potter. Now they're slightly less broke. Disney is printing money. That's all that matters.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I've said this before but I'll say it again. Potter isn't fast because Universal is good, Potter is fast because Universal is desperate. It's their ONLY play. Their creative process is easy because they have a grand total of one option. What to build? Potter. Done. It's also much easier to build the streets of London than the forrests of Pandora. Universal needs to expand to create demand. Disney HAS demand so their expansions are about accommodating the masses, not a panicked attempt to draw them in. Will NGE bring new guests to WDW? Probably not. But it should enhance the experience for the existing guests. Disney can afford to take their sweet time. Universal cannot.

What are you smoking? Universal has Transformers, Simpson's, and Potter under construction now. And will be breaking ground on a multi-attraction Jurassic Park expansion after the summer season. Universal is FAR from a one trick pony. And they are the exact opposite of desperate. Universal was in financial trouble in 2006. It is no longer 2006.

Universal is building some of this stuff fast, but not to create demand. They are building fast because they needed to dump all that potter profit to avoid a hefty tax bill.

But don't let facts get in the way of a delusional fanboi rant.

 

[CDavid]

Disney can afford to take their sweet time.

That's hilariously arrogant on Disney's part.

 

[Tim_4]

What are you smoking? Universal has Transformers, Simpson's, and Potter under construction now. And will be breaking ground on a multi-attraction Jurassic Park expansion after the summer season. Universal is FAR from a one trick pony. And they are the exact opposite of desperate.

Universal is building some of this stuff fast, but not to create demand. They are building fast because they needed to dump all that potter profit to avoid a hefty tax bill.

But don't let facts get in the way of a delusional fanboi rant.

The things in your first paragraph are all fine and dandy. People enjoy those things. But they don't COME for those things. Potter is the draw. The rest is filler. Potter 2 is a DCA-esque tweak to fix an imbalance between the two parts.

 

[GLaDOS]

The things in your first paragraph are all fine and dandy. People enjoy those things. But they don't COME for those things. Potter is the draw. The rest is filler. Potter 2 is a DCA-esque tweak to fix an imbalance between the two parts.

No one comes for Transformers? So the higher attendance and guest spending USH has seen since it opened came from what, closing T2?

Please.