AVATAR land construction progress

[KingOfEpicocity]

Both but the show building can be forgiven if they frame the trees and the foliage right. But the rock on sticks? Makes the land look silly going in. I'm not complaining about details but instead poorly planned sightlines. If we don't give uni and hogsmeade a pass then avatar shouldn't get one either! Nothing against you mate! Just thinking out loud on this.

1. You can see uni show buildings from inside the park. It's completely different. 2. You can't actually make mountains float. It's just the details nobody is every going to see.
3. They aren't covering the show building. It's HUGE.

 

[Incomudro]

Mountains on the end of poles is a greater sin than a portion of a show building not covered by theming in my book.
I accept that cost is saved by not theming the back of say Everest.
But having these little mountains just up on poles is about as bad as if the big mountain support structures had not been wrapped in vines.
I'm not a nit picker, I just can't picture the sightlines working this way.
Perhaps they'll mirror the poles?

 

[Sped2424]

1. You can see uni show buildings from inside the park. It's completely different. 2. You can't actually make mountains float. It's just the details nobody is every going to see.
3. They aren't covering the show building. It's HUGE.

LOL Really? Okay for one no duh you can't make mountains float but look how the mountains are being handled in the land? Cleverly with vines foliage etc to cover up the supports holding said mountains up. Why can't the same ideology on a smaller scale be used for the tiny mountains? It's just poor desgin imo and the show building much like Everest should be themed so it still looks well in the parking lot but can be plain from employee viewing areas. I just think these kind of sightlines which are still in guest view REGARDLESS of being in or out of the park aren't the best when you literally have the blessing of "size".

 

[KingOfEpicocity]

LOL Really? Okay for one no duh you can't make mountains float but look how the mountains are being handled in the land? Cleverly with vines foliage etc to cover up the supports holding said mountains up. Why can't the same ideology on a smaller scale be used for the tiny mountains? It's just poor desgin imo and the show building much like Everest should be themed so it still looks well in the parking lot but can be plain from employee viewing areas. I just think these kind of sightlines which are still in guest view REGARDLESS of being in or out of the park aren't the best when you literally have the blessing of "size".

The blessing of size sure, but not the blessing of money. I bet you that guests won't ever see the ones on top. So it's pointless to argue over such a small matter. I'm so glad it's complete so we can accurately judge it!

 

[WildRide]

I don't mind the out of park site lines. My question is, how will those things stay up when a hurricane rips through Florida?

 

[KingOfEpicocity]

I don't mind the out of park site lines. My question is, how will those things stay up when a hurricane rips through Florida?

I'm sure the imagineers have thought of that.

 

[Mawg]

It's a puzzle, to be sure. The thing is, rocks on sticks can clearly be seen in the concept model:

I never thought this element of the model was this literal, but maybe it is. From the model, it looks like the rocks-on-sticks would be visible only from a distance, not when you are close to the attraction show building. Maybe the idea is that you will see them only through dense foliage in the foreground. Or maybe the angles are such that you never see the bottoms of the rocks (and the sticks) and they just add depth?

Well if the floating rocks on poles are right from the concept art then maybe we have hope that the planet in the background will be there too.

I know there is reflective paint for glass that can turn it into a mirror but does this work on other surfaces? Is there such a technique to hide things with reflective paint?
If they are going to disguise with vines then they should use more than just one vine down the middle.
I'll wait to judge until I see the final product but I would really like to see some magic here, I want these mountains to "float"!

 

[Incomudro]

I don't mind the out of park site lines. My question is, how will those things stay up when a hurricane rips through Florida?

They appear to have guide wires too.

 

[Incomudro]

Well if the floating rocks on poles are right from the concept art then maybe we have hope that the planet in the background will be there too.

I know there is reflective paint for glass that can turn it into a mirror but does this work on other surfaces? Is there such a technique to hide things with reflective paint?
If they are going to disguise with vines then they should use more than just one vine down the middle.
I'll wait to judge until I see the final product but I would really like to see some magic here, I want these mountains to "float"!

Yeah, I agree.
I think the little mountains would look more realistic supported by curved vines than a straight pole right down the middle.
I too believe in a wait and see view as to what the final product will look like.

 

[danlb_2000]

Some type of Disney Magic is going to be employed here.
The "rocks on sticks" looks can't possibly be part of the plan.
Show building or not, there's got to be something up Disney's sleeve here.

I am not sure how they are going to handle the parking lot side, but all the pictures we get from inside the park are from vantage points that probably won't be available when everything is done. It's very unlikely you will see much of the poles from within the land, and the parts that you so see will be disguised as vines.

 

[phi2134]

Has anyone seen any pictures of the jagged looking rocks in what looks like the entrances to one of the rides ? They are right in the middle of show building in the model pictures.

 

[No Name]

1. You can see uni show buildings from inside the park. It's completely different. 2. You can't actually make mountains float. It's just the details nobody is every going to see.
3. They aren't covering the show building. It's HUGE.

Once you put the floating mountains on top, the building becomes identifiable from outside of the park as a part of Avatar Land. Before, a person would likely not know what it was and just consider it a storage building or whatever. But with the floating mountains, it will likely be more obvious that this is the building that the ride exists in.

Additionally, once inside of the park, the floating mountains in the distance effect will have been ruined by what you saw coming into the park. That's the bigger issue here.

LOL Really? Okay for one no duh you can't make mountains float but look how the mountains are being handled in the land? Cleverly with vines foliage etc to cover up the supports holding said mountains up. Why can't the same ideology on a smaller scale be used for the tiny mountains? It's just poor desgin imo and the show building much like Everest should be themed so it still looks well in the parking lot but can be plain from employee viewing areas. I just think these kind of sightlines which are still in guest view REGARDLESS of being in or out of the park aren't the best when you literally have the blessing of "size".

I made the comparison to Everest a while back and mostly everyone on here looked at me like I had 5 heads. They were all like "ummm you're not inside of the park, so why does it matter?" And they could not understand why, to an average guest who does not know that you're in a show building, this ruins the effect once for once average guest is inside of the park.

I was more of an average guest when Everest opened, and seeing the back kind of shocked me. It's something that should not be seen.

Nothing should be poorly themed whether inside the park or not. I don't know why people think that it being outside of the park is suddenly an excuse for them to ruin the illusion.

 

[Andrew C]

Nothing should be poorly themed whether inside the park or not. I don't know why people think that it being outside of the park is suddenly an excuse for them to ruin the illusion.

Is this your standard only for WDW, or for DL as well?

 

[Andrew C]

I understand that it is important to keep the illusion alive (as much as possible) even outside the parks at WDW, as you are supposed to be immersed in the world even when you are not in one of the parks. But I am going to wait and see the final product before making a judgment on whether the rocks look off from certain sight lines or not.

 

[Sped2424]

Is this your standard only for WDW, or for DL as well?

Dl gets some slack again due to the lack of space they have to deal with. But certain things have no excuses. Wdw again is supposed to have the blessing of space here so intrusive sightlines that ruin show building or illusions should not be in guest view here.

 

[Bartattack]

If you look at the pictures you can see that the poles don't go all the way up to the rocks. Halfway they change into some more curved structure.. like a vine.. So I guess from the ground you won't see the straight poles, but more the vine like structure...

 

[Prototype82]

If you look at the pictures you can see that the poles don't go all the way up to the rocks. Halfway they change into some more curved structure.. like a vine.. So I guess from the ground you won't see the straight poles, but more the vine like structure...

Yes! That's what I really like about the approach they're supposedly doing. When you're close enough and have to look up, the thick curved vine will be covered as to not give it away. But when you're far from it, it'll look like a vine. And I think that illusion might just work!

 

[rioriz]

What if, maybe, in the land itself...from the main entrance and Africa you can see these stick mountains swaying back and forth as if...they were floating! Trust me..no Sticks seen in park. The farthest Stick Mountain will only be barely seen coming from Africa

They will look fine.

 

[twebber55]

What if, maybe, in the land itself...from the main entrance and Africa you can see these stick mountains swaying back and forth as if...they were floating!

They will look fine.

 

[Kamikaze]

They look horrendous from the parking lot though. If the effect is ruined before you even get into the park I think that's a cause for concern. Hopefully rock work is something is going to be done about that offensive sightline soon

Never seen the backside of Cars Land, eh?