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[Disney Irish]

Obviously you’d have to have a security guard or two permanently stationed there right? Unless that barrier comes from the structure/ stairs and doesn’t actually start where it appears in the art. No matter what this wall would need to be around 10 feet tall and that’s not what im getting in this concept art.

Maybe, I originally thought maybe they might have screening at the tower itself as you can more easily control all foot traffic plus have all screening on the Harbor side as was discussed during the workshops they had with Anaheim/Harbor businesses last year.

 

[mickEblu]

Maybe, I originally thought maybe they might have screening at the tower itself as you can more easily control all foot traffic plus have all screening on the Harbor side as was discussed during the workshops they had with Anaheim/Harbor businesses last year.

Yeah it'll be interesting to see how this turns out

 

[DLR92]

My impression of this new pedestrian bridge pathway will be multi lane. One lane to allow new parking guest to head to the esplanade from their security point on Manchester lot. And preserving ground level grade path for east side access to head into their screening point. Then there will be a lane for heading back to the parking structure. Along with a separate grade to cross pass Harbor Blvd.

 

[BrianLo]

Obviously you’d have to have a security guard or two permanently stationed there right? Unless that barrier comes from the structure/ stairs and doesn’t actually start where it appears in the art. No matter what this wall would need to be around 10 feet tall and that’s not what im getting in this concept art.

I think the stairwell and elevators are entirely outside of the security bubble. Strictly for the harbour pedestrian overpass. The guests screened by the parkade don’t get an elevator or stairs as it’s just a gradual grade change of the bridge on either side of harbour. There’s really just two entirely separate bridges going on. But the city is getting Disney to pay for their own pedestrian traffic solution.

I do think it’s overall more elegant than the original proposal. Which was very problematic for some of the previously close motels to the crosswalk.

 

[truecoat]

I laid the 2 lane bridge out when it was released back in June.

Now artwork can be deceiving but I also think eastbound Harbor guests will be able to get on the bridge where the red line is. There appears to still be a separated pathway. A security gate would need to be around the elevator area. This will allow people leaving for lunch or for the day to go right onto the bridge but would be eastbound only.

 

[chadwpalm]

Well @chadwpalm seems to think that is where they will be putting the landing for the public access to the bridge on the east side, rather than it being further in where the entrance will be. I don't see it as I think its too small, just like its too small for a walkway, but I guess we'll see what happens.

I was more or less just trying to illustrate that there would need to be some sort of walkway and elevators on the east side of Harbor. How that actually ends up, I have no idea.

Here's what I see:

Harbor guests will be able to walk along the purple line to get across the bridge, it's loosely shown on the concept art, even has a shadow of a person in one spot.

Guests who were screened at the new transportation area follow the red line, and enter the esplanade bypassing the new security setup for harbor guests.

Harbor guests follow the green, and go to the new quite large security area, you can even see line up systems setup with planters.

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So exactly what I drew up 3 pages back. Do you have me on ignore?

 

[Disney Analyst]

I was more or less just trying to illustrate that there would need to be some sort of walkway and elevators on the east side of Harbor. How that actually ends up, I have no idea.

So exactly what I drew up 3 pages back. Do you have me on ignore?

I just skimmed and saw the overall conversation. Did not read every post.

 

[chadwpalm]

I just skimmed and saw the overall conversation. Did not read every post.

Alright.....I'll give you a pass......this time.

 

[Disney Irish]

I was more or less just trying to illustrate that there would need to be some sort of walkway and elevators on the east side of Harbor. How that actually ends up, I have no idea.

So exactly what I drew up 3 pages back. Do you have me on ignore?

I still think that specific section between the two buildings is too small for any sort of walkway or even elevator bank. It would need to be on the other side of them where it opens up more. I suspect only the bridge will be between the two buildings.

 

[chadwpalm]

Maybe, but then why leave Pumbaa untouched? Or are you implying that Pumbaa will be used too?

I realized last night that I never really answered this question.

So as you see in the original concept with the garage on Pumbaa, the first floor of the garage was dedicated to the toll booths and the north Manchester lot is the transportation hub.

If the garage was on the north part and the first floor was the transportation hub, then the Pumbaa lot would have to still be the location of the toll booths.

My initial reply to you on all this was more to explain where people got the idea that the garage was going to be on the north side based on the blog post. As you pointed out the wording can possibly be interpreted in different ways (though I still interpret them as the garage going there), but personally I like the original concept better. Now that the ole U.S.C.I.S. building isn't a hindrance anymore, they have a lot more options now on layout.

This is the space where the bridge is going on the east side, between the two buildings. Not a lot of room. Basically that whole thing will be taken up by the bridge, no room left for public access.

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I still think that specific section between the two buildings is too small for any sort of walkway or even elevator bank. It would need to be on the other side of them where it opens up more. I suspect only the bridge will be between the two buildings.

Since you keep implying that the width of that space is too small, I measured it on Google maps and building to building is about 85' wide. Obviously they can't be that close to the other buildings, but I'm curious how wide you think the bridge will be and what you consider wide enough for either single or double lane comfortableness.

The current path between Harbor and the bag check is only 20' wide and that's just to accommodate Harbor traffic.

I can't imagine the path for the parking garage crowd needing to be more than maybe 30-40' wide. Assume they want to stay like 10 feet off the adjacent hotel walls, that leaves like 25-35' wiggle room for ramps and elevators and such and plenty of room for double-lane traffic going across the street.

Am I off on my numbers? I'm not a civil engineer lol

 

[Disney Irish]

I realized last night that I never really answered this question.

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So as you see in the original concept with the garage on Pumbaa, the first floor of the garage was dedicated to the toll booths and the north Manchester lot is the transportation hub.

If the garage was on the north part and the first floor was the transportation hub, then the Pumbaa lot would have to still be the location of the toll booths.

My initial reply to you on all this was more to explain where people got the idea that the garage was going to be on the north side based on the blog post. As you pointed out the wording can possibly be interpreted in different ways (though I still interpret them as the garage going there), but personally I like the original concept better. Now that the ole U.S.C.I.S. building isn't a hindrance anymore, they have a lot more options now on layout.

My inclination is that it'll still be like originally planned with the garage/tolls booths on Pumbaa and TransPoHub/Security on Manchester lot.

Since you keep implying that the width of that space is too small, I measured it on Google maps and building to building is about 85' wide. Obviously they can't be that close to the other buildings, but I'm curious how wide you think the bridge will be and what you consider wide enough for either single or double lane comfortableness.

The current path between Harbor and the bag check is only 20' wide and that's just to accommodate Harbor traffic.

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I can't imagine the path for the parking garage crowd needing to be more than maybe 30-40' wide. Assume they want to stay like 10 feet off the adjacent hotel walls, that leaves like 25-35' wiggle room for ramps and elevators and such and plenty of room for double-lane traffic going across the street.

Am I off on my numbers? I'm not a civil engineer lol

Given that the Disneyland Dr bridge is ~85ft at its smallest point I can't imagine it'll be much smaller. And I figure the usable space is ~65ft given that's about how wide that existing roadway/parking is right now between the two buildings, as the grass area next to the buildings is already ~10ft.

So since its going to have a public/unsecure access too on the bridge, there isn't going to be much room for anything else in that area but the bridge. So anything they do will need to either be built into the bridge or will need to come after that area between the two buildings. As Anaheim isn't going to let them block off the sidewalk with elevators or stairs.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Alright.....I'll give you a pass......this time.

The real key here is that if we are aligned in our thinking, we will definitely be proven right

 

[chadwpalm]

The real key here is that if we are aligned in our thinking, we will definitely be proven right