mickEblu
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There is no shoehorning necessary. The boat sailed with Mission Breakout.
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There is no shoehorning necessary. The boat sailed with Mission Breakout.
Professortango1
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Except they took pains to have the"fortress" "land" in California, with a view into Disneyland.
It's stupid and clunky, but that's because they wanted to make it "fit" DCA.
D.Silentu
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To reiterate, everything you say aligns with what I’ve seen of the land. That said, it does not appear to me to be a keen representation of the planet from the film, which is what I was hoping for.
Disney Irish
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You're using the word "clone" here liberally to fit the list you want to make.
IJA and Dinosaur are the exact same ride in ride system, layout, and ride vehicle, the only difference is the theming. That is very definition of a clone, and many argue Dinosaur is a lesser version.
Same with Mission: Breakout, as when the ride opened at DCA in 2004 it was ToT, a clone even by your definition (again as some argue a lesser version). It wasn't rethemed to Mission: Breakout until 2017. But it doesn't change the fact that it still a clone at its core. And I say that as someone who was on here defending the retheme as making it a different experience. But even I can admit its the same ride just with different ride profiles.
So yeah theming helps try to differentiate between the clones, but doesn't change that they are in fact clones. For example someone who's been on IJA that then goes on Dinosaur will know pretty much every aspect of the ride experience short of the actual dinosaurs.
Make your list, but to say that some of these that are being pointed out aren't clones is not being honest.
PiratesMansion
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As someone who has done both Roaring Rapids and GRR in person, I can tell you that the two attractions are not so substantially different in scenery so as to feel like different rides. Dinosaur and Indy don't feel like the same attraction to me, even though they are, because the feel, story, visuals, etc. are sufficiently different. That's not the case with RR & GRR. I went on RR and my overriding thought (other than the pointlessness of building a big animatronic on a rapids ride where the seating configuration all but guarantees that someone will miss it entirely) was "huh, that feels like Grizzly." Then I double-checked by comparing POVs, and sure enough, they're basically the same ride.
Saying a ride isn't a clone because the window dressing is different depends on the situation, and to me, saying that Grizzly and Roaring Rapids aren't clones because of what I feel are relatively superficial theming differences doesn't pass the smell test. They're not different enough to feel like distinct experiences.
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pastrypossum
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I don’t want to get anybody in trouble so I’m gonna be real vague here and naturally you can choose to believe a total stranger on an internet forum or not…
However, I’ve personally confirmed with somebody very integral to the Avatar team that they are actively working on bringing the reef/island locales from “The Way of Water” to the Disneyland Resort. Notably NOT the central Florida friendly lush rainforest environment featured at DAK. No more information beyond that but I’d personally KILL to finally have the Shanghai Pirates tech utilized in this particular story world. I wanna hang with the Tulkun!
Consumer
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Would be great for a singular attraction, not as much for an entire land. Still, I do think the floating mountains and the banshees are more interesting than anything we saw in Avatar 2.
yeah but they arent clones they have slightly different track layouts as well
mickEblu
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Seems hard to really pull off in a theme park environment but with clever staging and the proper funds I suppose all is possible. This image certainly makes the beach look more distinct than I remember it from the movie. Regardless, if this means we get an Avatar version of Shanghai POTC, Florida can keep their floating mountains. Haha. If you think about it it makes sense. The most distinct parts of the sequel are underwater. I’m thinking of those giant screens/ “underwater” scenes on POTC at Shanghai.
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PiratesMansion
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Close enough.
I'm not going to give a ride that is the same *except for a turn or two* the credit for being an entirely unique ride that's totally different.
They are very, VERY similar too each other. One might even argue that the RR scenery is essentially the GRR scenery run through an "edgy adventure" AI program.
And if you get to Shanghai and ride RR some day, I'm guessing your reaction isn't going to be "wow, that was a totally different experience that in no way reminded me of GRR!!!"
Purduevian
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Not sure if you were talking physical space or not... but if you were...
Max land in DCA I could see it taking is ~615,000 sqft
Animal Kingdom Pandora has 2 expansion pads.
Pad 1 is ~168,000sqft
Pad 2 is ~180,000
Of course in WDW, Roads and lakes can always be moved...
Coaster Lover
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Very true, there seems to be some confusion between:
1. Reusing the same ride system (with a different layout and/or theme)
2. Reusing the same ride system and layout (with a different theme)
3. Reusing the same theme (with a different ride system and/or layout)
4. Reusing the same ride system, layout, and theme
In my opinion (and I think this is agreed upon by many others), only the fourth one is what is truly considered "cloning" an attraction.
Everything is Galaxy's Edge is a clone. The original TOT in DCA and at DLP are clones. Both Soarins are clones. Ratatouille is a clone. Tron is a clone.
DL's Indiana Jones and DAK's Dinosaurs are NOT clones. RSR and Test Track are NOT clones. The two U.S. Space Mountains are NOT clones. Hotel Hightower and TOT at DLP are NOT clones.
Professortango1
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If rides are unmistakably similar to the general public, they are clones for me. All TOT's are clones, even if Florida has the original concept and Paris, DCA, and TDS have the 2.0 model and varied storylines. The average person goes - oh, that's the same thing as Tower of Terror in Florida. Same with Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Big Thunder. They are all slightly different at different parks, but for the general audiences, they are the same rides.
PiratesMansion
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My word. I can tell you as someone who has experienced both that it is close enough even if it's not a 100% perfect match. Watch the POVs below; even if the exact sequence of turns is slightly different, it's close enough that it's basically the same ride. At any rate, what do you care? I figured you'd be busy in Toontown, which you've unironically dubbed one of the world's best theme park lands and a dramatic change from what was there before, rather than worrying about the minutiae of a theme park you've never actually been to and have no plans to visit. But at any rate, here's the videos to watch for comparison, because apparently looking for videos is hard:
Grizzly:
Roaring Rapids:
You're welcome!
Fit used to mean "whether or not it fits (thematically or logistically) with what is already in place at DAK.
Exactly. Only a few things are exact, perfect clones of each other, but there's enough similarities between, say, the HMs that most people don't waste so much time splitting hairs between them. They are recognized to be related and to share similar attributes. If a WDWer came to DL during a time when regular HM was closed, would people be more likely to tell them that it's a big deal because the DL Mansion is different or that it's close enough to WDW's that for most people, it's not that big of the deal of a ride to miss? I'd say most would opt for the latter response even if the rides aren't exactly 1:1 of each other. But for whatever reason, this thread has brought out the "WELL AKSHULLY" brigade out of the woodwork.
MarvelCharacterNerd
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They just need to reroute that thing out the Stark/M:BO gate. It's truly ridiculous to see it exit through Avengers Campus into the trolley barn at night.
I guess we need to be pedantic:
Clone:
- an organism or cell, or group of organisms or cells, produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical.
- a person or thing regarded as identical to another:
"successful women don't want to be male clones"
If window dressing is all that differed, as others have stated like the difference between Big Thunder rides in Paris vs. Florida, or the difference in Pirates in Florida vs. California then I, as most of the general public understand that to be the same experience.
Just because a ride uses the same layout, the story in Shanghai is completely different story: California Bear Country vs. an unnamed jungle with a GIGANTIC CROCODILE ANIMATRONIC. Hardly window-dressing, I imagine the cost of that thing was quite significant.
This is well articulated and I agree up to the space mountain bit, although I'd consider Paris's enough of a departure to merit considering it distinct
100% agree with the professor here
Disney Irish
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I understand the term just fine, both inside and outside of the theme park experience, so I don't need to reexamine anything. As I said you make whatever list you want, its all just opinions just like all of us here have. No one here is the "authority" on anything beyond that, our own opinions. So how you want to classify something is completely up to you.
But I can tell you, as someone having seen the plans for IJA in 1992 (story for another time), Dinosaur is identical with everything but the story. Its the reason why Indy replacing Dinosaur makes sense, as they can just keep the same attraction and retheme it and the area to Indy. Story and some elements will be slightly different I'm sure, but again the overall experience will be much the same as IJA.