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Kyle’s Dad Sent Me

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It’s an identical track and cars (with a different paint job) but completely different in every other aspect. I would bet most people who ride both in their life, who don’t already know the trivia fact of the identical track, never clock the similarities outside of maybe the ride vehicles.

We live in a world where Transformers and Spider-Man are at the same resort. Average guests don’t notice these things outside the glaringly obvious, like when they ride too many screen rides back-to-back.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
It’s an identical track and cars (with a different paint job) but completely different in every other aspect. I would bet most people who ride both in their life, who don’t already know the trivia fact of the identical track, never clock the similarities outside of maybe the ride vehicles.
As mentioned there is a reason why it'll be rethemed to Indy here in the near future. So all this talk about its differences is soon to be moot, as it'll then be the same with just slightly different "window dressing" as some call it.
 

Purduevian

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Fit used to mean "whether or not it fits (thematically or logistically) with what is already in place at DAK.
Fit can still mean that, it just has multiple meanings as a verb and I was not sure which one you were talking about.

1) Be of the right shape and size for (this is the one I took)
2) Fix or put into place (they fit MMRR into Toontown)
3)Be in agreement or harmony with (the one you meant)
 

denyuntilcaught

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This is such an odd conversation. Dinosaur and IJA use cloned ride systems and layouts, but they as attractions are not clones. M:BO and TOT use cloned ride systems, but are not clones. Reuse of a ride system does not constitute what is a clone - saying that is akin to saying all wooden coasters are technically clones. What makes them distinct is everything else around the mechanics, thus making them distinct attractions.
 

Professortango1

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This is such an odd conversation. Dinosaur and IJA use cloned ride systems and layouts, but they as attractions are not clones. M:BO and TOT use cloned ride systems, but are not clones. Reuse of a ride system does not constitute what is a clone - saying that is akin to saying all wooden coasters are technically clones. What makes them distinct is everything else around the mechanics, thus making them distinct attractions.
Mission BO uses more than a cloned ride system. It uses a cloned ride. It is TOT with screens out up in the two show scenes. It is a literal overlay. That would be like them leaving HMH up and stating it was a new ride.

All the Castles are different, but I'm still going say to say that all castle parks feature the same basic iconic castle as the centerpiece.
 

J4546

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My word. I can tell you as someone who has experienced both that it is close enough even if it's not a 100% perfect match. Watch the POVs below; even if the exact sequence of turns is slightly different, it's close enough that it's basically the same ride. At any rate, what do you care? I figured you'd be busy in Toontown, which you've unironically dubbed one of the world's best theme park lands and a dramatic change from what was there before, rather than worrying about the minutiae of a theme park you've never actually been to and have no plans to visit. But at any rate, here's the videos to watch for comparison, because apparently looking for videos is hard:

Grizzly:

Roaring Rapids:

You're welcome!

Fit used to mean "whether or not it fits (thematically or logistically) with what is already in place at DAK.

Exactly. Only a few things are exact, perfect clones of each other, but there's enough similarities between, say, the HMs that most people don't waste so much time splitting hairs between them. They are recognized to be related and to share similar attributes. If a WDWer came to DL during a time when regular HM was closed, would people be more likely to tell them that it's a big deal because the DL Mansion is different or that it's close enough to WDW's that for most people, it's not that big of the deal of a ride to miss? I'd say most would opt for the latter response even if the rides aren't exactly 1:1 of each other. But for whatever reason, this thread has brought out the "WELL AKSHULLY" brigade out of the woodwork.

wow you seem upset. also thanks for the videos! Now I can def tell they arent clones
 

denyuntilcaught

Well-Known Member
Mission BO uses more than a cloned ride system. It uses a cloned ride. It is TOT with screens out up in the two show scenes. It is a literal overlay. That would be like them leaving HMH up and stating it was a new ride.

All the Castles are different, but I'm still going say to say that all castle parks feature the same basic iconic castle as the centerpiece.
I disagree. All that is similar between M:BO and TOT is the ride system and mechanics, of which the screens you mention are a part of. Everything else is quite different. Dinosaur and Indy are not clones, they are just cloned ride systems.
 

britain

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Strictly speaking mission breakout WAS a clone because it used to be TOT. It has been redecorated away from its former theme and story so that it no longer LOOKS like a clone.

Dinosaur, however was only a cloned ride system.

Now, if they change it into Indy… Does that make it more of a clone???
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Here are my thoughts. TOT at DCA and WDS were clones. They were versions (albeit similar) of the original TOT in Florida.

Mission Breakout was formerly a version of the original TOT in Florida. It is now a rethemed version of the original TOT. Replace “clone” with version and all problems are solved.

This is all semantics.
This is just 4 pages of boredom posts until more information comes out about Avatar in DCA. I don't think it ultimately matters which are clones or not. Agree its all semantics.
 

Consumer

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begun the clone war has GIF by Star Wars
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
We need to define "clone" so everyone stops talking past one another...

clone (klōn)​
n.
1. a thing that has some vague likeness to another thing in some way​
2. a thing that is like another thing exactly in every possible way​
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Professortango1

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I disagree. All that is similar between M:BO and TOT is the ride system and mechanics, of which the screens you mention are a part of. Everything else is quite different. Dinosaur and Indy are not clones, they are just cloned ride systems.
Ride system, queue, mechanics, ride layout, giftshop, tech, sequence, structure of show scenes. As I said, it would be like calling HMH a new ride. It has new theming, but the rooms and scenes are the same and the progression hasn't changed.

If covering up a practical effect or show scene and replacing it with a projections screen makes it a whole new ride, then Mansion's new WDW finale will give us a BRAND NEW ATTRACTION. YAY. Luckily we also got that new Alice in Wonderland ride a few years back and Hyperspace Mountain magically changes to a new attraction whenever the layover occurs.

Oh my gosh, totally forgot that Indy now counts as a brand new ride thanks to them not wanting to fix the doors.

On one hand, we lost a lot of old rides. But on the plus side, I just discovered that we have so many new attractions that have been created in the past 10-15 years.
 

J4546

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Yeah I watched the videos and they are 2 totally differently themed rides with slightly different track layouts. And 1 also has a giant animatronic as well but the themeing is way different regardless.


Please stop with these condescending petty weird remarks, you're and adult. I like toontown? ....Why do you bring that up? People are so unhappy and contrarian and ready to be mad about everything nowadays lol.

Let's all just take a break and agree to disagree on what constitutes a clone in our books. To me the river rapids rides in CA and Shanghai are different. That's my opinion no need to argue
 
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