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meyeet

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matt9112 said:
Is there anything in this world MONEY CAN'T BUY! lol
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Tjbmn84

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Jahona said:
Yeah most of the southern section of WDW isn't covered by the No Fly Zone. It's odd were they chose the center point. I would have personally put it a bit father south but oh well. I think the main thing is they didn't want flying banners and sky writers over Magic Kingdom.
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First timer here but as a pilot who knows that TFR (temporary flight restriction) it's specifically for lasers and fireworks. IE Illuminations and wishes. I many times during the day have been allowed to fly directly over the mk at 1500 feet well below the 3000 for restriction. A simple request to air traffic control and I've never been told no. Sadly I no longer work in Florida so I don't get a chance to fly over any more.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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Tjbmn84 said:
First timer here but as a pilot who knows that TFR (temporary flight restriction) it's specifically for lasers and fireworks. IE Illuminations and wishes. I many times during the day have been allowed to fly directly over the mk at 1500 feet well below the 3000 for restriction. A simple request to air traffic control and I've never been told no. Sadly I no longer work in Florida so I don't get a chance to fly over any more.
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Yeah, people often misunderstand the flight restrictions around WDW, it's good to occasionally have a post like this that clarifies it.
 
Jahona

Jahona

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Tjbmn84 said:
First timer here but as a pilot who knows that TFR (temporary flight restriction) it's specifically for lasers and fireworks. IE Illuminations and wishes. I many times during the day have been allowed to fly directly over the mk at 1500 feet well below the 3000 for restriction. A simple request to air traffic control and I've never been told no. Sadly I no longer work in Florida so I don't get a chance to fly over any more.
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Interesting. I figured ATC would be more restrictive. On the other hand the TFR was in place if I remember right because of flying banners and sky writers. Normal air traffic shouldn't have to much of an issue.

Sorry for the caps. Copied from FAA website.
No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).
THIS NOTAM REPLACES NOTAM 9/4985 TO REFLECT A TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION (TSA) WEBSITE UPDATE AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CONCERNING AIRSPACE WAIVERS. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS IN THIS NOTAM COMPLY WITH STATUTORY MANDATES DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7 AS AMENDED BY SECTION 521 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-199. PURSUANT TO 49 USC 40103(B), THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION (FAA) CLASSIFIES THE AIRSPACE DEFINED IN THIS NOTAM AS 'NATIONAL DEFENSE AIRSPACE'. ANY PERSON WHO KNOWINGLY OR WILLFULLY VIOLATES THE RULES PERTAINING TO OPERATIONS IN THIS AIRSPACE MAY BE SUBJECT TO CERTAIN CRIMINAL PENALTIES UNDER 49 USC 46307. PILOTS WHO DO NOT ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES MAY BE INTERCEPTED, DETAINED AND INTERVIEWED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT/SECURITY PERSONNEL. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS; ALL AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS, INCLUDING UNMANNED AND REMOTE CONTROLLED AIRCRAFT, ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN A 3 NMR OF 282445N/0813420W OR THE ORL238014.8 UP TO AND INCLUDING 3000FT AGL. 1410271500-PERM THE RESTRICTIONS DO NOT APPLY TO THOSE AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZED BY AND IN CONTACT WITH ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY OF FLIGHT PURPOSES, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND AIR AMBULANCE FLIGHT OPERATIONS. FLIGHTS CONDUCTED FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES OF ANY DISNEY WORLD EVENT AND VENUE ARE AUTHORIZED WITH AN APPROVED WAIVER. AN FAA AIRSPACE WAIVER DOES NOT RELIEVE OPERATORS FROM OBTAINING ALL OTHER NECESSARY AUTHORIZATIONS AND COMPLYING WITH ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATIONS. ALL PREVIOUSLY ISSUED WAIVERS TO FDC NOTAM 4/4985 REMAIN VALID UNTIL THE SPECIFIED END DATE BUT NOT TO EXCEED 90 DAYS FOLLOWING THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS NOTAM. INFORMATION ABOUT AIRSPACE WAIVER APPLICATIONS AND TSA SECURITY AUTHORIZATIONS CAN BE FOUND AT HTTP://WWW.TSA.GOV/STAKEHOLDERS/AIRSPACE-WAIVERS-0 OR BY CALLING TSA AT 571-227-2071. SUBMIT REQUESTS FOR FAA AIRSPACE WAIVERS AT HTTPS://WAIVERS.FAA.GOV.
 
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Tjbmn84

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Jahona said:
Interesting. I figured ATC would be more restrictive. On the other hand the TFR was in place if I remember right because of flying banners and sky writers. Normal air traffic shouldn't have to much of an issue.

Sorry for the caps. Copied from FAA website.
No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).
THIS NOTAM REPLACES NOTAM 9/4985 TO REFLECT A TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION (TSA) WEBSITE UPDATE AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CONCERNING AIRSPACE WAIVERS. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS IN THIS NOTAM COMPLY WITH STATUTORY MANDATES DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7 AS AMENDED BY SECTION 521 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-199. PURSUANT TO 49 USC 40103(B), THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION (FAA) CLASSIFIES THE AIRSPACE DEFINED IN THIS NOTAM AS 'NATIONAL DEFENSE AIRSPACE'. ANY PERSON WHO KNOWINGLY OR WILLFULLY VIOLATES THE RULES PERTAINING TO OPERATIONS IN THIS AIRSPACE MAY BE SUBJECT TO CERTAIN CRIMINAL PENALTIES UNDER 49 USC 46307. PILOTS WHO DO NOT ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES MAY BE INTERCEPTED, DETAINED AND INTERVIEWED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT/SECURITY PERSONNEL. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS; ALL AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS, INCLUDING UNMANNED AND REMOTE CONTROLLED AIRCRAFT, ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN A 3 NMR OF 282445N/0813420W OR THE ORL238014.8 UP TO AND INCLUDING 3000FT AGL. 1410271500-PERM THE RESTRICTIONS DO NOT APPLY TO THOSE AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZED BY AND IN CONTACT WITH ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY OF FLIGHT PURPOSES, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND AIR AMBULANCE FLIGHT OPERATIONS. FLIGHTS CONDUCTED FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES OF ANY DISNEY WORLD EVENT AND VENUE ARE AUTHORIZED WITH AN APPROVED WAIVER. AN FAA AIRSPACE WAIVER DOES NOT RELIEVE OPERATORS FROM OBTAINING ALL OTHER NECESSARY AUTHORIZATIONS AND COMPLYING WITH ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATIONS. ALL PREVIOUSLY ISSUED WAIVERS TO FDC NOTAM 4/4985 REMAIN VALID UNTIL THE SPECIFIED END DATE BUT NOT TO EXCEED 90 DAYS FOLLOWING THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS NOTAM. INFORMATION ABOUT AIRSPACE WAIVER APPLICATIONS AND TSA SECURITY AUTHORIZATIONS CAN BE FOUND AT HTTP://WWW.TSA.GOV/STAKEHOLDERS/AIRSPACE-WAIVERS-0 OR BY CALLING TSA AT 571-227-2071. SUBMIT REQUESTS FOR FAA AIRSPACE WAIVERS AT HTTPS://WAIVERS.FAA.GOV.
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That's what the new TFR states. However the original TFR specifically stated firework displace and high intensity lasers (which made sense). Trying to not get too far off topic but yes essential Disney has used these new regulations post 9/11 to keep the banner towers out. Ironically there has been nothing temporary about them as they have been there everyday since. Also if you get a big enough banner they are gonna see it even if it's above 3000ft and you have until 6000 feet until you are in Kmco airspace. Which is where I'm sure the sky writer that I have seen many times is the airspace he is probably flying in.
 

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