Avatar 2 and 3 Delayed??? The Effect on Avatarland at WDW...

[ChrisFL]

ok i also dont believe what wearing a halloween costume has anything to do with whether the ride will be a hit or not? Anyways, to me people say avatar isnt "hot" or its "old news" then what should disney do? What other movie as of recent years is making a true comeback!? Because they already did there starwars refurb so.....idk i think avatar is perfect. Nothing is going to be as popular as harry potter. I just dont understand what people want anymore. :shrug:

Lord of the Rings

 

[Captain Chaos]

This is sort off topic of the thread itself. But after doing some research the 1bil in movie sales Acatar got amounted to a 18 mil blu ray sales total. While star wars broke blu ray records with almost 80mil in profit making it the most sold thing off blue ray.... Just sayin....

You are talking about the complete Star Wars Saga on blue ray right??? Well the package retails for $140 bucks and sells on Amazon for $100 bucks whereas Avatar's blu ray sold for, what, $20 - $25? Ya know, just sayin...Star Wars BETTER pull in more money... So you really cannot compare the two due to price... ya know, just sayin...

And Avatar's DVD/Blu Ray sales are: 10,173,099 units sold for $183,637,624 in revenue.. Ya know, just sayin...

Not bad for a terrible movie that EVERYONE hated...

 

[Captain Chaos]

Lord of the Rings

Then buy yourself a Universal Annual Pass... :lookaroun

 

[ctxak98]

Then buy yourself a Universal Annual Pass... :lookaroun

I agree....lord of the rings has nothing to do with animal kingdom or disney! atleast avatar has the enviroment we are looking for.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I agree....lord of the rings has nothing to do with animal kingdom or disney! atleast avatar has the enviroment we are looking for.

Not exactly what I meant... I meant Universal may be looking to get the rights to LOTR while Disney went out and grabbed Avatar...

 

[ctxak98]

Not exactly what I meant... I meant Universal may be looking to get the rights to LOTR while Disney went out and grabbed Avatar...

Oh...well either way I agree with you. I like Lord of the rings also...But I dont think its would even top potter at this point. wish disney had the chance to get it though...mayeb hollywood studios? Has there ever been talk of like a national treasure ride?:veryconfu

 

[Plutofan1]

I think most people went to see it because of the new technology in special effects. Now that's "old news" the story itself doesn't seem to have enough staying power to warrant an attraction. None of the characters are very interesting to me either. How many kids dressed up as Avatars that halloween?

To be honest, what importance will the story really serve towards an attraction? Look at the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, for example. None of the rides have any particular storyline that represents that of the books or movies. It's just sort of a jumbled mess of everything the franchise has to offer. The magic is in the experience. The feeling of being transported from one world, into another. Disney can manage to do that with or without a good story from the original movie.

 

[ctxak98]

to be honest, what importance will the story really serve towards an attraction? Look at the wizarding world of harry potter, for example. None of the rides have any particular storyline that represents that of the books or movies. It's just sort of a jumbled mess of everything the franchise has to offer. The magic is in the experience. The feeling of being transported from one world, into another. Disney can manage to do that with or without a good story from the original movie.

bingo!:d

 

[haveyoumetmark]

For everyone arguing that story/franchise doesn't matter and that the environment is what will be key, then why go through the trouble of getting something like AVATAR? Something that has the potential to be incredibly stale very fast. AVATAR was gimmicky with the Pocahontas storyline and first major IMAX/3D release - something the sequels won't have. Why not create something original a la DisneySea or Beastly Kingdom? Clearly, the franchise matters to someone higher up and it will show in the construction of the land. Song of the South is virtually unknown compared to AVATAR, so the comparisons to Splash Mountain are moot. People will recognize AVATAR as a tired franchise while not realizing that Song of the South exists and thinking that Splash is original.

 

[MickeyPeace]

Here is the problem with what you are saying here: you have no basis of fact to say no one wants to visit Avatarland or Pandora or what ever Disney winds up calling it (probably something with 100 words in it, seems like that is how they name things today)...

The first Avatar did over $2 billion in business... That INCLUDES repeat viewings... So obviously there are fans out there... And even if Avatar 2 does half the business as the first movie, that is still $1 billion dollars... Of course no one should suspect Avatar 2 or 3 doing anywhere near $2 billion again... But that doesn't mean the movies will be utter failures...

And the argument that no one would go to Avatar-Pandora in DAK is baseless because Splash Mountain disproves that theory... I bet most, if not all of the regular guests who visit MK have no clue Splash Mountain is based on Song of the South... I will bet majority of the people who wait in the 100 minute long queues have never even seen Song of the South, but the ride is popular... As long as the land is greatly detailed and any rides that may come are great, the crowds will line up and visit this area of the park...

Providing this area ever gets built...

Extremely well said and I agree 100%. I'm shocked that there is mostly hate on the boards regarding this project. Everything you said I stand by.

 

[paul436]

I saw this headline this morning, and the only thing I could think is "this is great news for Disney!" Hopefully the area in DAK opens shortly after the release of Avatar 2; right when people are reminded about it, but before the franchise is done.

I thought this too. The opening of the films and the attraction would look to be somewhat close to each based on the reported delay to the films. This won't delay the attraction as the cuurent timeline ties in nicely to have the maximum promotional exposure.

 

[alissafalco]

OK I also dont believe what wearing a halloween costume has anything to do with whether the ride will be a hit or not? Anyways, to me people say avatar isnt "hot" or its "old news" then what should Disney do? what other movie as of recent years is making a true comeback!? because they already did there starwars refurb so.....IDK I think avatar is perfect. Nothing is going to be as popular as harry potter. I just dont understand what people want anymore. :shrug:

Disney shouldn't do any movie at all....they should be imaginative and build another ride like mount everest- that's not based on a movie. Its a great ride that will never become "old news" or "outdated" like most movies become. It doesnt have to be a rollercoaster, but maybe just a differnt ride based off the land. They want to be called imagineers then they should be imaginative!

 

[GLaDOS]

For everyone arguing that story/franchise doesn't matter and that the environment is what will be key, then why go through the trouble of getting something like AVATAR? Something that has the potential to be incredibly stale very fast. AVATAR was gimmicky with the Pocahontas storyline and first major IMAX/3D release - something the sequels won't have. Why not create something original a la DisneySea or Beastly Kingdom? Clearly, the franchise matters to someone higher up and it will show in the construction of the land. Song of the South is virtually unknown compared to AVATAR, so the comparisons to Splash Mountain are moot. People will recognize AVATAR as a tired franchise while not realizing that Song of the South exists and thinking that Splash is original.

Yes. Thank you. Short, perfect post. I bolded what I really like.

Avatar is coming because they think it can sell merchandise. Not because of the "environmental message". And 5 years after the sequels have come and gone, people will be walking through DAK scratching their heads as to why there's a land based on Avatar in the park.

 

[ADP2]

I would think Disney would still open up AVatarland during the time they set, but if the films are delayed then they would simply delay specific attractions inside the land related to Avatar 2 and 3. In other words Pandora would still open on time, but other attractions set to correspond with Avatar 2 and 3 would have to wait.

Considering TDOs budgeting I'm sure they'd prefer to open Avatarland and delay some attractions. Financially, it works better for them.

 

[Phineas fo Prez]

Yes. Thank you. Short, perfect post. I bolded what I really like.

Avatar is coming because they think it can sell merchandise. Not because of the "environmental message". And 5 years after the sequels have come and gone, people will be walking through DAK scratching their heads as to why there's a land based on Avatar in the park.

I can't agree more with the statements.

Hopefully Disney is starting to understand the error in their ways and end the Avatarland idea now.

However, please still do something at DAK and a Beastly Kingdom type land would be perfect!

 

[WDWGoof07]

For everyone arguing that story/franchise doesn't matter and that the environment is what will be key, then why go through the trouble of getting something like AVATAR?

Great post. :sohappy:

 

[Captain Chaos]

Yes. Thank you. Short, perfect post. I bolded what I really like.

Avatar is coming because they think it can sell merchandise. Not because of the "environmental message". And 5 years after the sequels have come and gone, people will be walking through DAK scratching their heads as to why there's a land based on Avatar in the park.

Or they will be walking through DAK saying "Wow, what a wonderfully themed area and what an amazing ride, let's go do it again!!!!"

Truth is, NO ONE knows how well the movies will stand up 5 years from now, 5 years after they are released, or 20 years into the future...

And Splash Mountain actually PROVES the point that people don't need to know the story or where the theme came from in order to love a very well done attraction...

 

[RSoxNo1]

For everyone arguing that story/franchise doesn't matter and that the environment is what will be key, then why go through the trouble of getting something like AVATAR? Something that has the potential to be incredibly stale very fast. AVATAR was gimmicky with the Pocahontas storyline and first major IMAX/3D release - something the sequels won't have. Why not create something original a la DisneySea or Beastly Kingdom? Clearly, the franchise matters to someone higher up and it will show in the construction of the land. Song of the South is virtually unknown compared to AVATAR, so the comparisons to Splash Mountain are moot. People will recognize AVATAR as a tired franchise while not realizing that Song of the South exists and thinking that Splash is original.

Franchises in a theme park are there for merchandise and marketing purposes. The argument about what makes a quality ride is a non-issue. Quality is quality regardless of the source material. However, if the quality is linked to marketable source material than the return on the investment can be a lot greater. That's what Universal is dealing with in The Wizarding World of Harry Potter. They have a highly marketable franchise, and did an excellent job executing the land (save the capacity issues). As such, Islands fo Adventure has been wildly successful since the opening of the land.

Universal cashed in on a franchise when it was still relevant and still had a rabid fan base. Disney is attempting to do this with a younger audience in Carsland, and an adult audience with Avatar. The fact that they haven't fully expanded the Star Wars Universe within the parks is somewhat puzzling, but Universal has shown what the new trend is. Find a marketable franchise, do a good job putting it in the parks, watch the money roll in. The difference though is that Harry Potter is a fairly unique franchise, and in it's current state Avatar doesn't have the same fan base that Harry Potter has.

 

[captainkidd]

And Splash Mountain actually PROVES the point that people don't need to know the story or where the theme came from in order to love a very well done attraction...

I agree, but I think Disney has put a lot of eggs in one basket. They're obviously hoping for something to rival WWOHP. Now, while I'm no huge HP fan, those movies (and books) have characters that people know and love. Can the same be said for Avatar?

A theme park can build any E-Ticket attraction based on any movie, popular or not, and the ride will be a hit. Creating an entire land, to me, is another story. I'm sure if they make a great Avatar ride, anybody who is at Animal Kingdom will ride it. What I don't think will happen, is people going out of their way to go to AK to see Avatarland. Not in the same way people are doing for Harry Potter.

 

[flavious27]

This is sort off topic of the thread itself. But after doing some research the 1bil in movie sales Acatar got amounted to a 18 mil blu ray sales total. While star wars broke blu ray records with almost 80mil in profit making it the most sold thing off blue ray.... Just sayin....

18 million in Blu Ray sales? Maybe first day sales. Avatar has sold more than 6 million bar bones blu ray copies, $20 a pop for each would put the blu ray sales at atleast $120 million.

Lord of the Rings

Seconded. LOTR has the story depth to carry a good sized land and the attractions, stores, and restaurants that will fill it.

Then buy yourself a Universal Annual Pass... :lookaroun

Like uni really has the land or money for a lotr land and also their obligation to expand potterland.