imagineer boy
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Oh yes! I'm really crossing my fingers for that. :lol:
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Avatar 2 and 3 Delayed??? The Effect on Avatarland at WDW...
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Oh yes! I'm really crossing my fingers for that. :lol:
GrumpyFan
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If Iger and Staggs are truly pushing this, which I believe he (Iger) is as it just fits the model that he has used since taking charge, then there's really no stopping it unless for some reason Cameron can't finish it due to other commitments. The only person(s) I could see possibly in a position high enough to derail it would be John Lasseter, Joe Rohde and maybe Tony Baxter. Otherwise, it becomes a "this is what the boss wants, and Cameron is footing the bill, so do it".
Somewhat related, but part of the Avatar equation is the merchandising aspect. A quick informal search on Amazon's top 100 action & toy figures shows not one single Avatar toy. There were several Disney figures both Pixar and Mickey and the gang, of course a few Star Wars and even some Tangled and Smurfs action figures. Just makes me wonder, how they're going to leverage this to generate merchandise opportunities.
GLaDOS
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I think you can chalk it up to not really thinking the whole thing through.
The thing that makes properties like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Indiana Jones, etc so hugely successful is that they appeal to both children and adults. I don't see Avatar as that property. I don't see kids dressed up for Halloween as one of the aliens from it. But I still see a lot of Darth Vaders and Harry Potters.
Yes, Avatar was really successful in the theaters...but are there going to be kids begging their parents to take them to Avatarland like they did for WWoHP? So far I don't think the evidence backs that up. But if they had announced a whole Star Wars land, I really think they could have hit a home run. Both fans and not fans would have been excited.
imagineer boy
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Quoted for truth.
CRO-Magnum
Active Member
Maybe, just maybe...
...the delay would line up the opening of Avatarland in DAK and the third release. If Avatar 2 opens Dec 2015 and Avatar 3 in 2016 that puts them right in the line of sight of the projected opening of Avatar land. I'm willing to bet they're trying to create a tighter alignment for marketing reasons.
...but I could be wrong.
And it doesn't really matter whether Avatar is an international sensation or not as long as the entertainment value of the attractions is high. I don't see successful movie franchises as guarantor of theme park success. I don't think the Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular is any more engaging that Lights Motors Action.
...but I could be even further wrong.
...the delay would line up the opening of Avatarland in DAK and the third release. If Avatar 2 opens Dec 2015 and Avatar 3 in 2016 that puts them right in the line of sight of the projected opening of Avatar land. I'm willing to bet they're trying to create a tighter alignment for marketing reasons.
...but I could be wrong.
And it doesn't really matter whether Avatar is an international sensation or not as long as the entertainment value of the attractions is high. I don't see successful movie franchises as guarantor of theme park success. I don't think the Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular is any more engaging that Lights Motors Action.
...but I could be even further wrong.
GLaDOS
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Personally, I don't think Cameron gives much thought as to when the land is opening and how to position his films around it. The man is know for his intense focus on getting his films the way he wants it. The delay most likely has to do with the actual films than anything else.
If I had to guess, Animal Kingdom is one of the farthest things from his mind right now.
brightlillstar
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I'm a little worried about the opposite, actually. Will people still care about Avatar in 4 years? I saw the move in the theater and I can't really recall the details to be honest. Unless the new movie is really amazing and huge and something totally new AND marketed well. I'm afraid it will be old news.
brightlillstar
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Can we EVER discuss anything about the Avatar land without getting into "Avatar stinks" territory? We've heard it before. It's not as good as Disney, Disney should do more with its own franchises. Why isn't there more Lion King? Avatar grossed billions, adjusted dollars, blah blah.
it's been done.
What this article brings up for me is what a perfectionist James Cameron is. Combine HIS attention to detail with Joe Rodhe's, and with the right budget, it IS going to be eye-popping
it's been done.
What this article brings up for me is what a perfectionist James Cameron is. Combine HIS attention to detail with Joe Rodhe's, and with the right budget, it IS going to be eye-popping
GLaDOS
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In that case we'll get the most special effects laden queue of all time, followed by a ride composed of black bed sheets and stilt walkers in blue body paint.
captainkidd
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Hey, Joe's had some good ideas. They just seem to die at the end of the line.
TalkingHead
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:lol: Funny because it's true.
ctxak98
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Here is my thing. A lot of people are basing there opinions on how they liked the movie and thats why it shouldnt be built. But if you really looked at the overall scenery and awesome world that pandora is....you cant say you wouldnt have fun walking around in it for atleast a half hour or maybe more. I hope that what happens is the land will come out after the second and then the 3 comes out later to keep it a fresh concept and idea.
NoChesterHester
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When does Iger step down? This won't even be done by then. I'm giving more and more credence to 74's speculation. I hope he is wrong however, personally I'm hoping for an eye popping, mind blowing, bio-luminescent world to explore.
Here is my thing. A lot of people are basing there opinions on how they liked the movie and thats why it shouldnt be built. But if you really looked at the overall scenery and awesome world that pandora is....you cant say you wouldnt have fun walking around in it for atleast a half hour or maybe more. I hope that what happens is the land will come out after the second and then the 3 comes out later to keep it a fresh concept and idea.
Here we go again. Be prepared, every single Avatar thread turns into the same re-hashed arguments. "I hate the movie Disney shouldn't build a land... no it will be beautiful... it doesn't have fans... eleventy billion dollars!!!" I'm taking a hopeful wait and see approach.
Merchandising may be a problem... Once guests are inside the gates of WDW, all rational thought goes out the window... There are many people out there that HAS TO buy any and all merchandise Disney puts out simply because it is Disney... The same would hold true for Avatar... As long as a Disney label is on it, there are people who would buy it... Question then would be, is that enough??? I'm not so sure....
As for Iger, we all know he is leaving in 2015, right??? Maybe even before then... So this will be pushed off to the next CEO, whether it is Staggs or someone else... So Iger may not be pushing his hand... Then again, Iger may want this Avatarland to go down as part of his legacy: IGER IS THE CEO WHO CREATED THE POTTER SWATTER... But, this could also backfire and blow up in his face... We will have to see if, during the course of 2012, they announce the location of Avatar and we start seeing land cleared and prepped.. And even then, that really means nothing...
Do people really care about Avatar anymore even now, never mind 4 years from now??? I never saw the movie in the theater, I waited for DVD release... The movie is stunning in Blu Ray... And I actually enjoyed it, even though I feel it is WAY too long... And even though I enjoyed the movie, if 2 and 3 never get made, I wouldn't feel lost...
Here is my thing. A lot of people are basing there opinions on how they liked the movie and thats why it shouldnt be built. But if you really looked at the overall scenery and awesome world that pandora is....you cant say you wouldnt have fun walking around in it for atleast a half hour or maybe more. I hope that what happens is the land will come out after the second and then the 3 comes out later to keep it a fresh concept and idea.
You are correct... A lot of people are basing their feelings around the new land because of what they felt about the movie... I think it is funny that a lot of people hate the idea and hate the movie yet didn't even see the movie... If you saw the movie and didn't like it, that is one thing.. If you never saw it and yet hate it, well.....
I think the world of Avatar lends itself to a beautiful themed land for a theme park... And I am sure Cameron and WDI can come up with something fantastic as long as they aren't held to any restraints.. But we know they will be... Doesn't mean they can't still come up with something grand though...
And truth is, the people who are trashing this will be the same people waiting to get into the new ride on opening day (if there ever is an opening day)....
I asked for no comments like that to be posted in here, but I know that is like asking GE to pay taxes.. LOL... But I have to say, so far, the trashing has been minimal, which I really appreciate... Mostly, everyone has stayed on topic...
muse1983
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I find this to be good news. I will prolong Avatar and keep it in peoples minds during and a few years after the world has opened in AK. I was not blown away necessarily by AVATAR but feel for a film of it's kind it was pretty decent for the first of a trilogy. I have a feeling that the sequels will only get better as the story and world continues to be fleshed out. Just remember, you don't have to LOVE a franchise for it to make an amazing attraction.
I posted this in another fourm but it applys here also
Avatar a Billion Dollar movie ?
Will AK (disney) be able to build a Billion dollar park.
remember the fourms talk about the decline of Disney not wanting to spend money on yeti,light bulbs, ect. They have alot of money a billion tied up in this next gen upgrade the largest ever
so money for fl
billion for next gen
billion for AK ? to show of a billion dollar movie
thats alot of billions
from ip
Avatar a Billion Dollar movie ?
Will AK (disney) be able to build a Billion dollar park.
remember the fourms talk about the decline of Disney not wanting to spend money on yeti,light bulbs, ect. They have alot of money a billion tied up in this next gen upgrade the largest ever
so money for fl
billion for next gen
billion for AK ? to show of a billion dollar movie
thats alot of billions
from ip
Where was it said that AK was building an area for Avatar comparable to it's box office take?