Attendance sinking on the West Coast too?

[mickEblu]

A 40-inch height requirement means a kid can likely ride at 4 years old. 40 inches is what we ask for Indy and other thrilling attractions.

Plus, let's not forget that while many kids like Spider-Man, many teens and adults love him as well and spend money to visit the parks. Many little kids are happy to see Spider-Man and take a picture with him and see him swinging. If we had a full 48-inch height requirement coaster, that would still appeal to kids 8 and up and have an attraction that soaks up crowds of all ages.

Midway Mania is a ride that appeals to all ages and doesn't feel like a lackluster attraction. WEB Slingers feels like a giant missed opportunity and is a ride that doesn't make the top 5 experiences at DCA for most guests.

Agreed. They also could have just based the shooter ride around a different character. They really made the decision that not only was Webslingers going to be THE Spider-Man ride at DLR but the only Spider-Man ride in the United States because of the Universal contract. That seems like a really poor short sighted decision. Could they one day another Spider-Man ride elsewhere within DL Forward? Sure. Highly unlikely though.

To be fair they were working within the constraints of Bugs Land but that’s also a problem they created themselves. And like I said earlier they should have used a different character where expectations wouldn’t be so high. Or why not go with a cool little trippy Dr Strange dark ride in that space?

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah… But this is the SPIDERMAN I.P. we’re talking about. One of the biggest pop-culture characters of our age… Disney had ONE SHOT to make the most of it and create an incredible experience. And instead: Voila! Mediocre shooter!

Is it more fun than eating garbage? Sure. Is it what anyone would pick for DLR’s one and only Spider-Man attraction? I… don’t think so.

Decisions get made. And here we are. Certainly, theme parks need a mix of great and lesser attractions. But to relegate Spider-Man to the “lesser” category? I’d say it’s a baffling choice, but when you look at other (IMO) lousy decisions being made by Disney… Nothing surprises me anymore.
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Forgot to add: “…and in a park that already had a screen-based shooter ride.”

Why do people say "one shot" when talking about Spider-Man as if Disney couldn't use the IP in another attraction just because they built Webslingers? For example we know that Spidey will be part of the King Thanos Avengers attraction, as he is part of the concept art. Not to mention they could still use him in other ways in the future within DLR, like another future attraction.

So this idea that Spidey is relegated to be limited to only a simple shooter from now to the end of time at DLR is not only wrong but also not thinking about the reality of how IPs are used within the Parks.

 

[Disney Irish]

Agreed. They also could have just based the shooter ride around a different character. They really made the decision that not only was Webslingers going to be THE Spider-Man ride at DLR but the only Spider-Man ride in the United States because of the Universal contract. That seems like a really poor short sighted decision. Could they one day another Spider-Man ride elsewhere within DL Forward? Sure. Highly unlikely though.

To be fair they were working within the constraints of Bugs Land but that’s also a problem they created themselves. And like I said earlier they should have used a different character where expectations wouldn’t be so high. Or why not go with a cool little trippy Dr Strange dark ride in that space?

Why does it seem unlikely they would use Spidey in another attraction? I mean we have Toy Story characters in multiple attractions, multiple Cars attractions, etc. They aren't limited to just using the IP to one single attraction. Any popular IP has the potential to be used in multiple places including multiple attractions within a Disney Park, and I'm sure that Spidey qualifies as being popular enough of an IP to be used in multiple attractions.

 

[mickEblu]

Why does it seem unlikely they would use Spidey in another attraction? I mean we have Toy Story characters in multiple attractions, multiple Cars attractions, etc. They aren't limited to just using the IP to one single attraction. Any popular IP has the potential to be used in multiple places including multiple attractions within a Disney Park, and I'm sure that Spidey qualifies as being popular enough of an IP to be used in multiple attractions.

You know why. Because DLR has a limited amount of space and Disney has a lot of different IP they want to showcase. Cars Land is a single IP land so that should be obvious and Toy Story is a gazillion dollar property that they have owned or been in partnership with Pixar since the Bush/ Clinton administrations.

Also take into account the Toy Story attractions you are referring to. Two Toy Story shooter rides and a rethemed Carrousel. Spider-Man already has a shooter and if you thought people were disappointed with that wait until they bring us the Spider-Man Web spinner flat ride. Meaning to say if another Spider-Man ride were to come to DLR it would have to be an E ticket this time and they re just not going to devote those kind of resources for an IP that already has representation.

 

[Disney Irish]

You know why. Because DLR has a limited amount of space and Disney has a lot of different IP they want to showcase. Cars Land is a single IP land so that should be obvious and Toy Story is a gazillion dollar property that they have owned or been in partnership with Pixar since the Bush/ Clinton administrations.

Also take into account the Toy Story attractions you are referring to. Two Toy Story shooter rides and a rethemed Carrousel. Spider-Man already has a shooter and if you thought people were disappointed with that wait until they bring us the Spider-Man Web spinner flat ride. Meaning to say if another Spider-Man ride were to come to DLR it would have to be an E ticket this time and they re just not going to devote those kind of resources for an IP that already has representation.

Except we know that Spidey will be part of the Avengers E ticket, so he is already getting more representation in the Parks. And they can always do more with him in the future as well. I mean as you guys keep saying he is one of the most popular IPs in the world.

Not only that, but I have a feeling that Uni is going to drop the Marvel branding at IOA in the medium to long term, so they can always use him at WDW when that happens.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The problem is it reuses the Midway Mania ride system and gameplay concept and is much worse than Midway Mania. To come out with a darkride based on one of the biggest action comic characters of all time and for it to be less fun and exciting than a ride that debuted 10 years earlier....that's a fail.

This is my main complaint with Webslingers, it’s fun and I enjoy it but I vastly prefer TSMM.

My main complaint with Avengers campus as a whole is they gave us 1 D ticket and cancelled the E-ticket, it would be like Galaxies Edge without RoTR, Smugglers run is fun but not enough to carry the whole land, webslingers is the equivalent of MFSR.

 

[Phroobar]

Fact: Spider-Man is the world’s most popular superhero. And a huge chunk of his fans are kids who aren’t tall enough for a thrill ride. I’m not saying web-slingers was the answer, but it made sense for it to be something that little kids can do.

Ninjago is the same exact ride as Webslingers but at Legoland California. It was also opened years earlier. Is Disneyland really competing against Legoland now? Doesn't DCA desire something better than a duplicate glorified Wii game?

 

[mickEblu]

Except we know that Spidey will be part of the Avengers E ticket, so he is already getting more representation in the Parks.

OMG you're so right! This makes everything I just said null and void.

 

[Disney Irish]

OMG you're so right! This makes everything I just said null and void.

I'm not saying it does, I'm just saying that Disney is indeed using the IP in other attractions at DLR not just limiting him to Webslingers. Now will they build another solo attraction for him in the future, I don't know. Could it be that in 10-15 years they decide that Webslingers needs a redo with another IP and they take Spidey and put him into another larger attraction, maybe.

In a perfect world Disney would make every top IP into an huge E ticket, including huge coasters and large scale thrill rides like you want. But that is not the reality of how Disney builds Parks, they never have.

 

[mickEblu]

I'm not saying it does, I'm just saying that Disney is indeed using the IP in other attractions at DLR not just limiting him to Webslingers. Now will they build another solo attraction for him in the future, I don't know. Could it be that in 10-15 years they decide that Webslingers needs a redo with another IP and they take Spidey and put him into another larger attraction, maybe.

In a perfect world Disney would make every top IP into an huge E ticket, including huge coasters and large scale thrill rides like you want. But that is not the reality of how Disney builds Parks, they never have.

I mean I guess bravo for finding a loophole that has nothing to do with what I was saying?

 

[Disney Irish]

I mean I guess bravo for finding a loophole that has nothing to do with what I was saying?

Look I've gotten the point you've been making since Webslingers opened, it hasn't changed, should Disney have done something different with Spidey than a shooter ride for his first attraction at a Disney Park, yeah probably. Would I have liked to see a huge sprawling coaster or a huge warehouse sized dark ride for him using like the pendulum ride system with Spidey, absolutely.

But that still doesn't mean they are limited to just Webslingers with the IP now that its built, and that is my point.

 

[mickEblu]

Look I've gotten the point you've been making since Webslingers opened, it hasn't changed, should Disney have done something different with Spidey than a shooter ride for his first attraction at a Disney Park, yeah probably. Would I have liked to see a huge sprawling coaster or a huge warehouse sized dark ride for him using like the pendulum ride system, absolutely. But that doesn't mean they are limited to just Webslingers with the IP now that its built, and that is my point.

And I disagree with your point for all the reasons mentioned below. Another Spiderman ride is not and will not be coming to DLR. Also I'm not sure what you mean by hasn't changed. I have never made the point that I did in the second paragraph below.

You know why. Because DLR has a limited amount of space and Disney has a lot of different IP they want to showcase. Cars Land is a single IP land so that should be obvious and Toy Story is a gazillion dollar property that they have owned or been in partnership with Pixar since the Bush/ Clinton administrations.

Also take into account the Toy Story attractions you are referring to. Two Toy Story shooter rides and a rethemed Carrousel. Spider-Man already has a shooter and if you thought people were disappointed with that wait until they bring us the Spider-Man Web spinner flat ride. Meaning to say if another Spider-Man ride were to come to DLR it would have to be an E ticket this time and they re just not going to devote those kind of resources for an IP that already has representation.

 

[Disney Irish]

And I disagree with your point for all the reasons mentioned below. Another Spiderman ride is not and will not be coming to DLR. Also I'm not sure what you mean by hasn't changed. I have never made the point that I did in the second paragraph below.

And I disagree with your opinion that another Spidey attraction is never coming to DLR, even under the scenario I proposed where Webslingers is replaced and Spidey gets a different attraction in the future, and disagree even more that if it did it would be anything but an E ticket.

 

[mickEblu]

And I disagree with your opinion that another Spidey attraction is never coming to DLR, even under the scenario I proposed where Webslingers is replaced and Spidey gets a differeatnWht attraction in the future, and disagree even more that if it did it would be anything but an E ticket.

What do you mean by never. Until the end of time? Nobody can make that prediction. I'm referring to the next 15-25 years.

 

[DLR92]

WEB Slingers is to me a very underwhelming ride. I couldn’t bother to try it. If I was force to with my friends, I wouldn’t be expected to be fun.

I don’t know if the building is enough to be proper dark ride for all ages either.

 

[Rich T]

Why do people say "one shot" when talking about Spider-Man as if Disney couldn't use the IP in another attraction just because they built Webslingers? For example we know that Spidey will be part of the King Thanos Avengers attraction, as he is part of the concept art. Not to mention they could still use him in other ways in the future within DLR, like another future attraction.

So this idea that Spidey is relegated to be limited to only a simple shooter from now to the end of time at DLR is not only wrong but also not thinking about the reality of how IPs are used within the Parks.

I hope you’re right, but I seriously doubt Spider-Man will ever be used as the main character in another ride at DLR. For all the Marvel fans out there who would love a great Spider-Man ride on the West Coast, I hope I’m wrong. But, the solid here-and-now reality is that Disney had a chance to build a fantastic, thrilling Spider-Man ride, and WebSlingers was what they went with and, until the day another Spider-Man ride is built, that’s all there is. Better than a vacant lot, for sure—There are far worse things bringing down the quality level at DLR. But it would sure be nice to see greatness again.

Please excuse my grumpiness with the company. I recently rode TBA at MK and beheld the “splendor” of what was revealed when the walls came down at Epcot.

I am almost plum out of my “Benefit of a Doubt” coupons.

 

[Disney Irish]

What do you mean by never. Until the end of time? Nobody can make that prediction. I'm referring to the next 15-25 years.

And that is the timeframe I’m referring to as well, except I include the whole lifetime of DLF which is 40 years. And I think in that timeframe there is a possibility of them adding another Sipdey attraction, especially if they decide to retheme Webslingers in say 10-15 years which would put it at almost 20 years old by that point.

 

[mickEblu]

WEB Slingers is to me a very underwhelming ride. I couldn’t bother to try it. If I was force to with my friends, I wouldn’t be expected to be fun.

I don’t know if the building is enough to be proper dark ride for all ages either.

I mean they made magic happen in those tiny Fantasyland show buildings. Granted, this isn't 1955 or 1983 anymore but I'd like to see them try. Give me a busbar Dr. Strange dark ride or omnimover in the old ITTBAB building. It was at least as big as Mermaids building no?

 

[mickEblu]

I hope you’re right, but I seriously doubt Spider-Man will ever be used as the main character in another ride at DLR. For all the Marvel fans out there who would love a great Spider-Man ride on the West Coast, I hope I’m wrong. But, the solid here-and-now reality is that Disney had a chance to build a fantastic, thrilling Spider-Man ride, and WebSlingers was what they went with and, until the day another Spider-Man ride is built, that’s all there is. Better than a vacant lot, for sure—There are far worse things bringing down the quality level at DLR. But it would sure be nice to see greatness again.

Please excuse my grumpiness with the company. I recently rode TBA at MK and beheld the “splendor” of what was revealed when the walls came down at Epcot.

I am almost plum out of my “Benefit of a Doubt” coupons.

I hate to say I told you so Rich. Every step of the way. Lol. You really did want to believe that it was going to be great. If anyone was giving them the benefit of the doubt it was you especially since that belief didn't even really line up with how you felt about the company or many of their recent projects.

 

[Rich T]

Not at all lesser. It's a shame you see it that way.

I’m sorry, but if you see Web-Slingers as a fantastic Spider-Man ride, I must say I have another opinion.

IOA’s Spider-Man ride set the bar for what a great Spider-Man ride can be. And it captures the spirit of the character and his adventures beautifully.

WebSlingers, IMO, doesn’t come close.