Attendance sinking on the West Coast too?

mickEblu

mickEblu

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Disney Irish said:
And that is the timeframe I’m referring to as well, except I include the whole lifetime of DLF which is 40 years. And I think in that timeframe there is a possibility of them adding another Sipdey attraction, especially if they decide to retheme Webslingers in say 10-15 years which would put it at almost 20 years old by that point.
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I just don't see it. Sure, if they decide to retheme Webslingers that would give it a higher chance but why? They have bigger fish to fry and never ending catalogue of popular IP. Why use the resources to do that? Why retheme the Spiderman Shooter. Would a new theme make it less underwhelming? I see them retheming the land or putting a brand new ride in that space before I see them re-theming Webslingers. They re focused on bringing us Avatar, Frozen, Moana, etc. A new Spiderman ride isn't in the cards for the next 15-25 years. It makes zero sense.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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mickEblu said:
I just don't see it. Sure, if they decide to retheme Webslingers that would give it a higher chance but why? They have bigger fish to fry and never ending catalogue of popular IP. Why use the resources to do that? Why retheme the Spiderman Shooter. Would a new theme make it less underwhelming? I see them retheming the land or putting a brand new ride in that space before I see them re-theming Webslingers. They re focused on bringing us Avatar, Frozen, Moana, etc. A new Spiderman ride isn't in the cards for the next 15-25 years. It makes zero sense.
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And there are a lot of things that make zero sense to us that Disney does. Also a retheme of the land is not impossible, and I include that in my thoughts on a potential for a Webslingers retheme (or call it a rebuild at that point if you want).
 
Professortango1

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mickEblu said:
I just don't see it. Sure, if they decide to retheme Webslingers that would give it a higher chance but why? They have bigger fish to fry and never ending catalogue of popular IP. Why use the resources to do that? Why retheme the Spiderman Shooter. Would a new theme make it less underwhelming? I see them retheming the land or putting a brand new ride in that space before I see them re-theming Webslingers. They re focused on bringing us Avatar, Frozen, Moana, etc. A new Spiderman ride isn't in the cards for the next 15-25 years. It makes zero sense.
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Agreed. Disney already has that box checked. I'm sure that's why the Avengers attraction has been pushed off and had budgets cut because the need for it is simply because they announced it and the facade is in place and its easier to fill out the last part of the land than it is to redo all of it for a more relevant IP/theme they want to include.

Spider-Man isn't getting a new Spider-Man attraction. They cloned WEB for France and can't use any Spider-Man in Florida, so the push to revisit the same IP and do it better isn't there for modern Disney. We're hearing reports that Disneyland's TBA is almost completed inside, which means that they heard the complaints about WDW's TBA and decided to keep pushing forward. That's the mentality these days. Good enough and move on.
 
TP2000

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DLR92 said:
WEB Slingers is to me a very underwhelming ride. I couldn’t bother to try it. If I was force to with my friends, I wouldn’t be expected to be fun.

I don’t know if the building is enough to be proper dark ride for all ages either.
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Is it just me, or is TDA really bad at marketing their new rides now?

The family is assembling next week, and a brief discussion of a Disneyland visit ensued via Zoom recently. Notable was that I was the only one who remembered/knew there was a new Spiderman and new Mickey Mouse ride, and both were rather lavish D Tickets that had huge WDI budgets. The family on the Zoom call included two young married couples, young professionals already making very good money and very savvy consumers, and they had no idea. Or, didn't care.

Was there even a commercial on TV for this Spiderman ride? I don't remember one.

And whenever Avengers Campus comes up on the forum here, it's usually about a Fullerton Junior College (Go Hornets!) kid dressed up as a new Marvel guy or gal. The ride seems to be invisible, or maybe just unloved, for the most part.
 
DLR92

DLR92

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TP2000 said:
Is it just me, or is TDA really bad at marketing their new rides now?

The family is assembling next week, and a brief discussion of a Disneyland visit ensued via Zoom recently. Notable was that I was the only one who remembered/knew there was a new Spiderman and new Mickey Mouse ride, and both were rather lavish D Tickets that had huge WDI budgets. The family on the Zoom call included two young married couples, young professionals already making very good money and very savvy consumers, and they had no idea. Or, didn't care.

Was there even a commercial on TV for this Spiderman ride? I don't remember one.

And whenever Avengers Campus comes up on the forum here, it's usually about a Fullerton Junior College (Go Hornets!) kid dressed up as a new Marvel guy or gal. The ride seems to be invisible, or maybe just unloved, for the most part.
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Nope! They NEVER advertise about their new attractions. Their marketing emphasizes more the parks itself. Actually I do remember them advertising of Avengers Campus.
 
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drizgirl

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TP2000 said:
Is it just me, or is TDA really bad at marketing their new rides now?

The family is assembling next week, and a brief discussion of a Disneyland visit ensued via Zoom recently. Notable was that I was the only one who remembered/knew there was a new Spiderman and new Mickey Mouse ride, and both were rather lavish D Tickets that had huge WDI budgets. The family on the Zoom call included two young married couples, young professionals already making very good money and very savvy consumers, and they had no idea. Or, didn't care.

Was there even a commercial on TV for this Spiderman ride? I don't remember one.

And whenever Avengers Campus comes up on the forum here, it's usually about a Fullerton Junior College (Go Hornets!) kid dressed up as a new Marvel guy or gal. The ride seems to be invisible, or maybe just unloved, for the most part.
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AHORA!
 
Professortango1

Professortango1

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TP2000 said:
Is it just me, or is TDA really bad at marketing their new rides now?

The family is assembling next week, and a brief discussion of a Disneyland visit ensued via Zoom recently. Notable was that I was the only one who remembered/knew there was a new Spiderman and new Mickey Mouse ride, and both were rather lavish D Tickets that had huge WDI budgets. The family on the Zoom call included two young married couples, young professionals already making very good money and very savvy consumers, and they had no idea. Or, didn't care.

Was there even a commercial on TV for this Spiderman ride? I don't remember one.

And whenever Avengers Campus comes up on the forum here, it's usually about a Fullerton Junior College (Go Hornets!) kid dressed up as a new Marvel guy or gal. The ride seems to be invisible, or maybe just unloved, for the most part.
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They advertised Mickey and Minnie as I know I saw billboards. WEB Slingers I didn't see anything for that as they were pushing Avengers Campus as a whole and not the C-Ticket ride. Which does make sense. I don't think Universal would advertise a new spinner.
 
TP2000

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Professortango1 said:
They advertised Mickey and Minnie as I know I saw billboards. WEB Slingers I didn't see anything for that as they were pushing Avengers Campus as a whole and not the C-Ticket ride. Which does make sense. I don't think Universal would advertise a new spinner.
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Well, in its defense, it was an expensive interactive dark ride. Probably would be a D Ticket if it was still 1980, owing to its expense and operating costs and scale and scope.

I wouldn't expect a TV campaign for Emotional Whirlwind, but for a 5 minute D Ticket dark ride that cost them a small fortune, you'd think they would have hyped it better. Or at least mentioned it was a thing.

Their marketing post-pandemic has been really odd, and almost absent. You wonder how they'll handle Tiana's Bayou Adventure?
 
denyuntilcaught

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To an extent, I understand the attraction-level versus resort-level marketing approach, and why there's an emphasis on the latter. They likely have data that shows that while attraction-level marketing are great awareness boosters and do well for PR, resort-level marketing drives the bulk of pricer conversions (i.e. tickets, packages, etc.) I could absolutely see that being the case.

However, there's a ton of ways they can do this better - i.e., use resort-level marketing for big premium media buys like national TV, billboards, big activations, etc., and use attraction-level marketing for social and digital targeting (and local OOH coverage) to excite the existing fanbase versus trying to get one family to spend $8K on a cross-country trip just to ride Web Slingers - they won't.
 
CaptinEO

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I have friends who are APs and didnt even know the Mickey ride was open for months.

Then Disney advertises something like Rise of the Resistance but makes no mention of needing to park at 6am for a chance of winning the lottery to go on the ride.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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CaptinEO said:
I have friends who are APs and didnt even know the Mickey ride was open for months.
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I've had similar experiences. Probably because most of the hype Disney pumped out about the new Toontown wasn't for Mickey's Railway, it was about Walt's Dreaming Tree. 🤣

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Professortango1

Professortango1

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TP2000 said:
Well, in its defense, it was an expensive interactive dark ride. Probably would be a D Ticket if it was still 1980, owing to its expense and operating costs and scale and scope.

I wouldn't expect a TV campaign for Emotional Whirlwind, but for a 5 minute D Ticket dark ride that cost them a small fortune, you'd think they would have hyped it better. Or at least mentioned it was a thing.

Their marketing post-pandemic has been really odd, and almost absent. You wonder how they'll handle Tiana's Bayou Adventure?
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I consider Midway Mania a D-Ticket. And WEB-Slingers is Midway Mania without an AA, physical controls, or high appreciation.

Also, whenever they open a whole land/new park, they tend to focus on the big picture and not specific attractions. Fantasyland Springs isn't pushing one ride, they are pushing a whole new land with several attractions. Same with Avengers Campus, except one attraction is a magic show with no seating/theatre and another is a stunt robot that opens for a meet and greet.
 
truecoat

truecoat

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TP2000 said:
I've had similar experiences. Probably because most of the hype Disney pumped out about the new Toontown wasn't for Mickey's Railway, it was about Walt's Dreaming Tree. 🤣

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It's like the Imagineers handed the plans to the guys who used to build McDonald Playlands.
 
CaptinEO

CaptinEO

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TP2000 said:
I've had similar experiences. Probably because most of the hype Disney pumped out about the new Toontown wasn't for Mickey's Railway, it was about Walt's Dreaming Tree. 🤣

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It's extra funny that they could've easily paid to freight in a fully grown tree instead of this tree that will take 20 more years to grow close to anything resembling the artwork.
 

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