Anyone else kinda disappointed by Turtle Talk?

sarabi

sarabi

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RiversideBunny said:
Dude, you're having a bad day.
I thought for a minute there that mousermerf was back.

Drink more beer. Talk to some kids.
And call your mother.

:lol:
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Though... preferably not in that order! :)

I loved Turtle Talk with Crush and I had no kids in tow. I guess it depends on the questions that are asked and the knowlege of the CM. You have to mix humor with information and it's not an easy balance, so I'm sure it's up the discretion of the CM... I mean... CRUSH... on how he wants to handle questions. I feel it's more important that Crush is acting like himself and saying things you would think you'd hear from his mouth than giving information.
 
EpcotServo

EpcotServo

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RiversideBunny said:
Dude, you're having a bad day.
I thought for a minute there that mousermerf was back.

Drink more beer. Talk to some kids.
And call your mother.

:lol:
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Actually I'm having a fine day, thanks.
:lol:

I love Finding Nemo, and I love pretty much everything WDI does, I'm just really bitter when it comes to what they did to Seabase Alpha.
:cry:
 
EPCOT Explorer

EPCOT Explorer

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EpcotServo said:
It used to be all that!

I went before all the hype. The week it premired, nobody knew or cared about it. We saw it as something new so we walked in to see it. In those good old days, there was never a line, the shows were allowed to be much longer and it was a very educational show. (I remember the first show, the kids asked some very serious ocean-related questions and Crush handled them seriously, and with humor.)

-looks wistfully-

Those were great times...it felt like a tiny room where WDI was making history...

But then the word spread. The lines came. They added a "Dory" element that wasn't educational. They started to cut down the show's running time. Now only two kids got to ask questions, instead of four or five. Educational answers were cut back, WDI left and it became more about entertainment.

The lines grew.

The "Nemo" prouducts started to pile up.

The Hydrolators were torn out.



And that was the day The Living Seas died.
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EpcotServo said:
Actually I'm having a fine day, thanks.
:lol:

I love Finding Nemo, and I love pretty much everything WDI does, I'm just really bitter when it comes to what they did to Seabase Alpha.
:cry:
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:cry:

OoooOooooOOooooh.I agree.

I miss the Pre Show and the narrator most of all.:cry::eek:

"And it rained...and rained...and rained...THE DELUGE!!"
 
EpcotServo

EpcotServo

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Frank Stallone said:
It's amazing what happens when you improve the attractions inside a pavilion...people show up
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I have nothing against the new ride, and new attractions. But "Seabase" doesn't make any sense!

OK, It's called "Seabase" now, right? Alright, then why can I see outside? That rules us out being "Under" the sea. If it's a Base, where's the science? There's no more pipes, numbers, or flashing lights. And that aside, if we assume It's a base, why are there full color pictures of Nemo & Friends on the wall? How do they know them? Why are there videos of CRUSH talking over educational videos? How did they record that? He dubs educational videos now? Why are there giant clams rolling through this "Seabase"? Why is there a giant plastic Bruce in one of the modules? How do THEY know Bruce?

So is it under the Sea? Even if you exclude the fact that you can see the outdoors, and give in to the fact that you're under the sea, what kind of BASE is this? It dosen't feel like a base any more.

Now I'm not the type to require explaniation for everything, better left unsaid I always say, but it lacks something every Disney ride has had. From Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor to 20,000 Leauges under the Sea.

A sense of place. What is it doing there? who knows. But once you enter, you know where you are and what you're doing.

"Seabase Alpha":Amazing Example of placemaking and never breaking the illusion.

"Seabase": What the heck is it again?

I've said it before, had they themed Seabase Alpha into a shipwreck like the one from the movie, or at least found some kind of theme for (what used to be) a major area of the pavilon, I would've been happy.

So for me, "Seabase" is WDI's only real current, standing, operating, EPIC FAIL.
 
lilredfoxie

lilredfoxie

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EpcotServo said:
I have nothing against the new ride, and new attractions. But "Seabase" doesn't make any sense!

OK, It's called "Seabase" now, right? Alright, then why can I see outside? That rules us out being "Under" the sea. If it's a Base, where's the science? There's no more pipes, numbers, or flashing lights. And that aside, if we assume It's a base, why are there full color pictures of Nemo & Friends on the wall? How do they know them? Why are there videos of CRUSH talking over educational videos? How did they record that? He dubs educational videos now? Why are there giant clams rolling through this "Seabase"? Why is there a giant plastic Bruce in one of the modules? How do THEY know Bruce?

So is it under the Sea? Even if you exclude the fact that you can see the outdoors, and give in to the fact that you're under the sea, what kind of BASE is this? It dosen't feel like a base any more.

Now I'm not the type to require explaniation for everything, better left unsaid I always say, but it lacks something every Disney ride has had. From Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor to 20,000 Leauges under the Sea.

A sense of place. What is it doing there? who knows. But once you enter, you know where you are and what you're doing.

"Seabase Alpha":Amazing Example of placemaking and never breaking the illusion.

"Seabase": What the heck is it again?

I've said it before, had they themed Seabase Alpha into a shipwreck like the one from the movie, or at least found some kind of theme for (what used to be) a major area of the pavilon, I would've been happy.

So for me, "Seabase" is WDI's only real current, standing, operating, EPIC FAIL.
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I second that, few weeks ago when i was at WDW, I saw the turtle talk thing, I found it to be REALLY corny, I think it would have been way better if they went with The Little Mermaid as the inspiration for the new pavilion, the old pavilion as it is was fine, I think when they took out the seacabs was when it really got empty. If they kept the seacabs, perhaps fixed up some of the current exhibits, I think the pavilion could have stayed as is.

The thing I HATE the most about the current incarnation is the fact you can see right to the outside, totally ruining the "illusion" that you are underwater.
 
ejeremy98

ejeremy98

Member
Disney has totally destroyed the Living Seas. It went from being my favorite future world pavilion to the one I make sure I skip. There's no reason to go in it anymore, unless getting annoyed by fake singing fish when you are trying to see a real aquarium is your idea of a good time.

It's an embarrassment.
 
tirian

tirian

Well-Known Member
EpcotServo said:
It used to be all that!

I went before all the hype. The week it premired, nobody knew or cared about it. We saw it as something new so we walked in to see it. In those good old days, there was never a line, the shows were allowed to be much longer and it was a very educational show. (I remember the first show, the kids asked some very serious ocean-related questions and Crush handled them seriously, and with humor.)

-looks wistfully-

Those were great times...it felt like a tiny room where WDI was making history...

But then the word spread. The lines came. They added a "Dory" element that wasn't educational. They started to cut down the show's running time. Now only two kids got to ask questions, instead of four or five. Educational answers were cut back, WDI left and it became more about entertainment.

The lines grew.

The "Nemo" prouducts started to pile up.

The Hydrolators were torn out.



And that was the day The Living Seas died.
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We were singing,
Bye, bye, Miss American Pie;
Took my Chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry...


;)

I think the Seabase refurb was successful, except for two serious oversights:
1. You're underwater. Why do you suddenly walk out onto dry land?
2. Turtle Talk isn't remotely educational. I've watched it about 10 times (I had to, but that's another story), and Crush mostly told the same dumb jokes about...heck, I don't even remember what they were about.
 
tirian

tirian

Well-Known Member
ejeremy98 said:
Disney has totally destroyed the Living Seas. It went from being my favorite future world pavilion to the one I make sure I skip. There's no reason to go in it anymore, unless getting annoyed by fake singing fish when you are trying to see a real aquarium is your idea of a good time.

It's an embarrassment.
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Where are the real fish, anyway? I hardly see anything but manatees.

(By the way, I like the ride a lot. Please don't :fork: me.)
 
CThaddeus

CThaddeus

New Member
tirian said:
We were singing,
Bye, bye, Miss American Pie;
Took my Chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry...


;)

I think the Seabase refurb was successful, except for two serious oversights:
1. You're underwater. Why do you suddenly walk out onto dry land?
2. Turtle Talk isn't remotely educational. I've watched it about 10 times (I had to, but that's another story), and Crush mostly told the same dumb jokes about...heck, I don't even remember what they were about.
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You beat me to the "American Pie" lyrics. It's scary that someone else was on the same wavelength. I was going to try to come up with new lyrics related to the Living Seas, but I'm too tired.
Actually, I see three oversights - the two you mentioned, plus the Fantasyland dark ride before you get to the Seabase. I guess I keep getting EPCOT Center mixed up with this lame Epcot thing. I expect a little education with my entertainment while I'm in that Park, and there isn't a whit of it in that attraction. Ditto for the overrated Turtle Talk. I always thought The Living Seas was a bit too stoic, but now it's 180 degrees in the opposite direction...and to me that's not a good thing.
 
ewensell3

ewensell3

Well-Known Member
Yeah, it's lacking in the educational department, but I liked it...

Crush: "And where is your grandfather?"
Kid points to person same row as me.
Crush: "Dude, isn't it awesome being a Grandfather?"
Guy: <unenthusiastic> "Uh, it's ok..."
Crush gives a cross look.
Crush: "<hushed>Doooood... He's right here. He can hear you... <normal> Dude, isn't it AWESOME being a Grandfather?"
Guy: "Absolutely! Being a Grandfather is the best thing ever!"

:lol:
 
EPCOT Explorer

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
EpcotServo said:
I have nothing against the new ride, and new attractions. But "Seabase" doesn't make any sense!

OK, It's called "Seabase" now, right? Alright, then why can I see outside? That rules us out being "Under" the sea. If it's a Base, where's the science? There's no more pipes, numbers, or flashing lights. And that aside, if we assume It's a base, why are there full color pictures of Nemo & Friends on the wall? How do they know them? Why are there videos of CRUSH talking over educational videos? How did they record that? He dubs educational videos now? Why are there giant clams rolling through this "Seabase"? Why is there a giant plastic Bruce in one of the modules? How do THEY know Bruce?

So is it under the Sea? Even if you exclude the fact that you can see the outdoors, and give in to the fact that you're under the sea, what kind of BASE is this? It dosen't feel like a base any more.

Now I'm not the type to require explaniation for everything, better left unsaid I always say, but it lacks something every Disney ride has had. From Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor to 20,000 Leauges under the Sea.

A sense of place. What is it doing there? who knows. But once you enter, you know where you are and what you're doing.

"Seabase Alpha":Amazing Example of placemaking and never breaking the illusion.

"Seabase": What the heck is it again?

I've said it before, had they themed Seabase Alpha into a shipwreck like the one from the movie, or at least found some kind of theme for (what used to be) a major area of the pavilon, I would've been happy.

So for me, "Seabase" is WDI's only real current, standing, operating, EPIC FAIL.
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Well said...TLS has become FantasyLand:The Sea for me.It makes no sense...No EPCOT futurism...No discovery...No nothing.Just a ton of fun.Which it is, don't get me wrong...It just needs to make sense again.
 
Frank Stallone

Frank Stallone

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In 2006, Turtle Talk with Crush surpassed Festival of the Lion King as the highest rated show attraction, based on guest surveys.

Looks like it's a success. End of thread.
 
Frank Stallone

Frank Stallone

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tirian said:
Where are the real fish, anyway? I hardly see anything but manatees.

(By the way, I like the ride a lot. Please don't :fork: me.)
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I recommend taking the escalator (or the elevator for the mobility impaired) to the "observation level". From there, you will find literally thousands of fish in a 6 million gallon environment, the second largest inland aquarium in the country.

Yep, pretty hard to find.
 

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