BrianLo
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Hey Ian! Nice to have you pop on in to say hello.
I figured your slight twinge of occasional cynicism meant you were lurking in the background.
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Hey Ian! Nice to have you pop on in to say hello.
I figured your slight twinge of occasional cynicism meant you were lurking in the background.
Disney Irish
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britain
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Hey everybody, it’s Ian! Straight man, voice of reason, and Jiminy Cricket to David! Hope you’re having a warmer / dryer time this week!
I'm getting some weird vibes that you touched based on the future of Tomorrowland, and aren't so happy with what's potentially coming
Well, no, it was just that the conversation drifted elsewhere at that point. I honestly have no idea what the plan is, just that there is one "forming", which was the word used as I remember. The addition of Mickey's Runaway Railway thing north of Toontown is what has TDA's focus more now.
Anjin
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I really hope this happens because there is a lot I like about Toontown and I want them to have a reason to spruce it up.
I would hope the lesson they learned is to have a big new thing every year and thus not worry about people holding back for more than a year for the next big new thing.
mickEblu
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Did you become a member before or after I called you my spirit animal the other day? Lol. Anyway welcome to the forum.
So are you feeling better about the ugly Enchanted Tiki room Q and ramp now?
What is up with that political jab? Is the anti-disney mayor not a republican? And there is nothing wrong with democratic socialism.
I was referring to City Councilman Dr. Arte Moreno, who has made it clear by his statements on a range of issues that he is a Socialist.
Mayor Tait, on the other hand, is just a Grumpy Gus, and his alleged political affiliation has nothing to do with that. He seems to dislike nearly everything and everyone. I remember being grumpy like that when I was in my 50's, and many men go through that phase of life. It's called having a Midlife Crisis, although nowadays they blame it on crashing Testosterone levels and hormone imbalances.
But instead of buying a Corvette and hitting on cocktail waitresses, Mayor Tait just glowers and grumps at city council meetings and hates Disneyland or any other successful business in Anaheim. It's kind of funny to watch, but only because I don't live in that city.
Dr. Moreno, however, he's just a Socialist who says stuff like this to national newspapers...
"It's as if we should somehow feel grateful that Walt Disney chose Anaheim." -Dr. Moreno, Anaheim City Councilman District #3
And to bring it all back on topic, it's this exact anti-business political climate in Anaheim that has led TDA to hold off on announcing anything via the Blue Sky Cellar exhibit for Marvel Land, Mickey's Runaway Railway, etc. They already cancelled the 4th Hotel, but TDA and Burbank are forced into waiting until after the election to determine how much more they will invest in their Anaheim property.
No businessman worth his payroll taxes, whether he was running a pet store or a giant theme park, would feel comfortable in long term investments if the local politicians were that blatantly against you being present in their city. It's just basic Business 101 level stuff here.
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GiveMeTheMusic
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That’s not entirely accurate. Disney is holding off on announcing new projects at DLR for a few key reasons. They don’t want any preelection announcements to be interpreted as endorsement of current political environment in Anaheim.
They also don’t anyone delaying visits any more than they already are. The current execs have never overseen an expansion like SWGE with such high public anticipation, and they are SHOCKED that people are waiting for it to open to visit.
Even with softer attendance this year, DLR is a cash cow. Anaheim’s mayor and council can’t change that. The parks prop up other divisions at this point (looking at you, media broadcast!). Investment in DLR will not stop, even if Disney’s fave council members don’t win this time. Disney is aware that they cannot afford to not expand DLR as the demand is there and the ROI is exceptional.
The idea that Disney would at this point abandon DLR to stasis due to political conditions is not grounded in reality.
They also don’t anyone delaying visits any more than they already are. The current execs have never overseen an expansion like SWGE with such high public anticipation, and they are SHOCKED that people are waiting for it to open to visit.
Even with softer attendance this year, DLR is a cash cow. Anaheim’s mayor and council can’t change that. The parks prop up other divisions at this point (looking at you, media broadcast!). Investment in DLR will not stop, even if Disney’s fave council members don’t win this time. Disney is aware that they cannot afford to not expand DLR as the demand is there and the ROI is exceptional.
The idea that Disney would at this point abandon DLR to stasis due to political conditions is not grounded in reality.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I've said it before and I'll say it again, socialism at its core is not a bad thing. Americans have to stop listening to the far right trying to equate socialism to communism.
In reality both major parties have dabbled in socialist tendencies going all the way back to the beginning of this country. And even more so in the last 100 years. Two of the biggest programs that 99.9% of the voters want to keep around in some form, Social Security and Medicare, are socialist based programs. We are a mix socialist/capitalist society, despite what some think they don't cancel each other out. Both parties need to stop bashing each other for promoting one side over the other, both have a place in our country.
Hopefully in 3 weeks we can stop talking politics for awhile. Ah who am I kidding....
In reality both major parties have dabbled in socialist tendencies going all the way back to the beginning of this country. And even more so in the last 100 years. Two of the biggest programs that 99.9% of the voters want to keep around in some form, Social Security and Medicare, are socialist based programs. We are a mix socialist/capitalist society, despite what some think they don't cancel each other out. Both parties need to stop bashing each other for promoting one side over the other, both have a place in our country.
Hopefully in 3 weeks we can stop talking politics for awhile. Ah who am I kidding....
Disney Irish
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I don't think anyone here thinks they'll stop investing in DLR. I think the thought of those here is that if the political winds are not blowing in Disney's favor then the investments will be limited to DLR existing footprint, not an expansion beyond the borders.
Now that could all change and maybe Iger and company are willing to make more risky moves despite the political climate. Who knows, at this point its a wait and see game.
The question I have is the DLR getting a major presentation at D23 or not? That'll tell the level of investment for the next couple years.
donaldtoo
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Isnt it funny how Disney seems to be more than able and willing to invest in France, yet the "socialist" initiatives being deployed in Anaheim are somehow an insurmountable roadblock to Disney's growth there. Don't even get me started on Disney and China. Y'all need to wake up to Disney's business games.
George Lucas on a Bench
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What? Which part?
Old Mouseketeer
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I think people who use the term "socialism" should understand what it does and does not mean. There are social programs for working people and others for corporations. Our present system in the US is fraught with corporate welfare--it is far from a pure free market. We are also a social democracy, although less so than most, if not all, of our Western peers.
So let's be grown-ups here. Disney's activities in Anaheim are inextricably entwined with politics. The current election will impact that.
Can we all take a step back here? In the bigger picture and over the course of years, the pendulum will swing back and forth. This is normal in politics. IMHO, after years of Disney having a City Council that was too eager to please, they got one that was to some degree hostile. Now there is the possibility that things may settle more in the middle. This would be my preference. I would like it if Disney and Anaheim would take this opportunity to forge a new partnership that is mutually beneficial.
There are big decisions on the horizon. I hope they will be beneficial to all parties.
So let's be grown-ups here. Disney's activities in Anaheim are inextricably entwined with politics. The current election will impact that.
Can we all take a step back here? In the bigger picture and over the course of years, the pendulum will swing back and forth. This is normal in politics. IMHO, after years of Disney having a City Council that was too eager to please, they got one that was to some degree hostile. Now there is the possibility that things may settle more in the middle. This would be my preference. I would like it if Disney and Anaheim would take this opportunity to forge a new partnership that is mutually beneficial.
There are big decisions on the horizon. I hope they will be beneficial to all parties.
CydonPrax
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I mean I still think it looks really bare and as a result less appealing but like when I saw it I recognize that some plant growth and some more shade cover above like there was before with fabric strung from the lights would help a lot.
Also, and this is most minor of minor nitpick details but the "grass skirts" that they use to hide the speakers near Pele and Hinu used to be a more natural beige grass color. They're now bright red (and I think yellow). The point of those skirts is to hide the speakers. Bright colors draw your attention to them making you more likely to become aware that they are in fact speakers.
mickEblu
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Their are definitely things that can be done. But the big blue Dumbo wall facing Storybookland has me wondering if they’ll actually do them.