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Travel Junkie

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
Isnt it funny how Disney seems to be more than able and willing to invest in France, yet the "socialist" initiatives being deployed in Anaheim are somehow an insurmountable roadblock to Disney's growth there. Don't even get me started on Disney and China. Y'all need to wake up to Disney's business games.
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The Chinese and French government are childs play next to the all powerful socialist Anaheim city council.

Being opposed to giving away millions to a company that makes billions of profit every quarter is socialist and anti- business. It's downright laughable.
 
TP2000

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Travel Junkie said:
Being opposed to giving away millions to a company that makes billions of profit every quarter is socialist and anti- business. It's downright laughable.
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That hotel tax is all off the table for Disneyland now, it's no longer part of any equation. The 4th hotel was cancelled, and with it approximately $100 million in hotel bed taxes for the next 20 years that just vaporized, and that Anaheim City Hall now needs to figure out how to replace. (They'd already budgeted to spend $5 Million of that 4th hotel tax money in 2021 to buy new fire trucks, etc.)

So now, Anaheim is no longer "giving away" anything to the Walt Disney Company. Instead, the Disneyland Resort industrial complex pumps 45% of the general tax fund into the city bank account ever year, to the tune of $151.2 Million for this current tax year. Just like it does every year, paying $150 Million for Anaheim parks, schools, libraries, police, fire protection, the city museum, etc., etc.

So... now that Anaheim won't be "giving away" any hotel bed tax money to the Walt Disney Company, what's the new excuse why we should all hate Disneyland and those evil Capitalist executives in TDA? I need to know what the new talking point is, please. ;)
 
SuddenStorm

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Perhaps I'm not familiar with the intricacies of marketing a new theme park land- but why on earth would they put the preview center in DCA?

Isn't that just saying "Hey everyone! Look how cool Disneyland's going to be now! No reason to come back here in 2019!"

Wouldn't it make more sense to just add more Galaxy's Edge stuff to the Launch Bay in Tomorrowland, or the Disney Gallery by Lincoln?

Use the Blue Sky Cellar to market Marvel Land or something instead.
 
Disney Irish

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SuddenStorm said:
Perhaps I'm not familiar with the intricacies of marketing a new theme park land- but why on earth would they put the preview center in DCA?

Isn't that just saying "Hey everyone! Look how cool Disneyland's going to be now! No reason to come back here in 2019!"

Wouldn't it make more sense to just add more Galaxy's Edge stuff to the Launch Bay in Tomorrowland, or the Disney Gallery by Lincoln?

Use the Blue Sky Cellar to market Marvel Land or something instead.
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The way I see it, it all comes down to not having Marvel Land items ready for preview. So the easiest thing to do is to put the SW:GE model and other items in there instead and keep it open. That way they don't have to close Blue Sky Cellar for another 18-24 months while waiting for Marvel Land items.
 
Phroobar

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1LE McQueen said:
I think the preview room should be re-purposed to "Tony Stark's Iron Man Dungeon" featuring Gamora and Captain Marvel
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GiveMeTheMusic

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TP2000 said:
That hotel tax is all off the table for Disneyland now, it's no longer part of any equation. The 4th hotel was cancelled, and with it approximately $100 million in hotel bed taxes for the next 20 years that just vaporized, and that Anaheim City Hall now needs to figure out how to replace. (They'd already budgeted to spend $5 Million of that 4th hotel tax money in 2021 to buy new fire trucks, etc.)

So now, Anaheim is no longer "giving away" anything to the Walt Disney Company. Instead, the Disneyland Resort industrial complex pumps 45% of the general tax fund into the city bank account ever year, to the tune of $151.2 Million for this current tax year. Just like it does every year, paying $150 Million for Anaheim parks, schools, libraries, police, fire protection, the city museum, etc., etc.

So... now that Anaheim won't be "giving away" any hotel bed tax money to the Walt Disney Company, what's the new excuse why we should all hate Disneyland and those evil Capitalist executives in TDA? I need to know what the new talking point is, please. ;)
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This is some Fox News expert level deflection. No one is saying that we should hate the "evil capitalist executives in TDA" - you're trying to turn this around to something that it's not. Disney and Anaheim both bungled the 4th hotel situation. Disney will build more hotels at some point, and when they do, there will be more bed taxes. Disney passes on the taxes to the guest anyway - why should Disney care? Not building a new hotel five years ago hurts no one more than Disney. They're aware of this, and that's why the Star Wars immersive hotel has suddenly started popping up in DLR planning conversations.

Disney is up against communist governments to run their resorts in China profitably. Anaheim is not even a challenge; they just want to be able to run ramshod over the city because that's what they're used to.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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GiveMeTheMusic said:
This is some Fox News expert level deflection. No one is saying that we should hate the "evil capitalist executives in TDA" - you're trying to turn this around to something that it's not. Disney and Anaheim both bungled the 4th hotel situation. Disney will build more hotels at some point, and when they do, there will be more bed taxes. Disney passes on the taxes to the guest anyway - why should Disney care? Not building a new hotel five years ago hurts no one more than Disney. They're aware of this, and that's why the Star Wars immersive hotel has suddenly started popping up in DLR planning conversations.

Disney is up against communist governments to run their resorts in China profitably. Anaheim is not even a challenge; they just want to be able to run ramshod over the city because that's what they're used to.
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Well, the 4th Hotel and all it's tax money pouring into city coffers was just vaporized into nothing by TDA execs, so something is going on. And I'm simply going by what elected city councilmen in Anaheim say publicly and on-record to the media. Stuff like...

"It's as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Walt Disney chose Anaheim." - Dr. Moreno, Anaheim City Councilman, District #3

That's such a perfect example of how these anti-business politicians think nowadays. Let's just imagine how that statement plays out with other private businesses around the country...

"It's as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Steve Jobs chose Cupertino."
"It's as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Henry Ford chose Dearborn."
"It's as if somehow we should feel fortunate that William Boeing chose Seattle."
"It's as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Jack Warner chose Burbank."

Heck, you could even flip it around and have an elected city councilman pick on a small mom-and-pop business who doesn't want to pay more city taxes to hungry politicians doling out goodies to their union money backers.

"It's as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Miller Pet Shop chose Anaheim."
"It's as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Dr. Ramirez Dentistry chose Anaheim."
"It's as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Mari's Pizza Parlor chose Anaheim."

I honestly don't know who would vote for a politician like Dr. Moreno that was so outwardly and openly hostile to the largest employer in town whose mere presence in their city is responsible for pulling in 45% of the general taxes to city coffers every single year. If he's not anti-business and anti-capitalist, then what is he? Just grumpy that day? A bit hangry? :confused:
 
Travel Junkie

Travel Junkie

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TP2000 said:
That hotel tax is all off the table for Disneyland now, it's no longer part of any equation. The 4th hotel was cancelled, and with it approximately $100 million in hotel bed taxes for the next 20 years that just vaporized, and that Anaheim City Hall now needs to figure out how to replace. (They'd already budgeted to spend $5 Million of that 4th hotel tax money in 2021 to buy new fire trucks, etc.)

So now, Anaheim is no longer "giving away" anything to the Walt Disney Company. Instead, the Disneyland Resort industrial complex pumps 45% of the general tax fund into the city bank account ever year, to the tune of $151.2 Million for this current tax year. Just like it does every year, paying $150 Million for Anaheim parks, schools, libraries, police, fire protection, the city museum, etc., etc.

So... now that Anaheim won't be "giving away" any hotel bed tax money to the Walt Disney Company, what's the new excuse why we should all hate Disneyland and those evil Capitalist executives in TDA? I need to know what the new talking point is, please. ;)
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My sarcastic point was simply exposing the false narrative that Disney will only work within certain economic structures. Anaheim is one of the easiest economic environments Disney parks works in. Please try and convince me Anaheim is more difficult to work with than Paris, Hong Kong, or Shanghai.

What's funny and ironic is that certain city council members are called socialist for not wanting provide what amounts to a social welfare program to a corporation.

As @GiveMeTheMusic said, Disney will return to the project at some point. It's not off the table forever. I'd bet they delayed it by 3-5 years is all. There's too much money to walk away from. Disney was simply taken off guard by not getting exactly what they wanted.
 
Old Mouseketeer

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TP2000 said:
That hotel tax is all off the table for Disneyland now, it's no longer part of any equation. The 4th hotel was cancelled, and with it approximately $100 million in hotel bed taxes for the next 20 years that just vaporized, and that Anaheim City Hall now needs to figure out how to replace. (They'd already budgeted to spend $5 Million of that 4th hotel tax money in 2021 to buy new fire trucks, etc.)

So now, Anaheim is no longer "giving away" anything to the Walt Disney Company. Instead, the Disneyland Resort industrial complex pumps 45% of the general tax fund into the city bank account ever year, to the tune of $151.2 Million for this current tax year. Just like it does every year, paying $150 Million for Anaheim parks, schools, libraries, police, fire protection, the city museum, etc., etc.

So... now that Anaheim won't be "giving away" any hotel bed tax money to the Walt Disney Company, what's the new excuse why we should all hate Disneyland and those evil Capitalist executives in TDA? I need to know what the new talking point is, please. ;)
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Oh why don't you just clutch your pearls and retire to your fainting couch, little miss drama queen! :eek:
 
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Working in other counties is different thing, they are doing the best they can in those areas to gain a profit. The benefit outweighs the cost. But in terms of the hotel and state side investment, it looks like Disney felt FL was a better return than CA.
 
Phroobar

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jzramom said:
Working in other counties is different thing, they are doing the best they can in those areas to gain a profit. The benefit outweighs the cost. But in terms of the hotel and state side investment, it looks like Disney felt FL was a better return than CA.
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Florida had cheap land and Disney did it in a sneaky way. They even setup their own government there so everything was always in their favor. Disney just didn't have the money, resources and knowledge to do that in Anaheim. However, when the day is over Disneyland is still far superior to anything built in Florida.
 
Rich T

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SuddenStorm said:
Perhaps I'm not familiar with the intricacies of marketing a new theme park land- but why on earth would they put the preview center in DCA?

Isn't that just saying "Hey everyone! Look how cool Disneyland's going to be now! No reason to come back here in 2019!"

Wouldn't it make more sense to just add more Galaxy's Edge stuff to the Launch Bay in Tomorrowland, or the Disney Gallery by Lincoln?

Use the Blue Sky Cellar to market Marvel Land or something instead.
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DCA can only benefit by more people flocking to DL. It's still basically the "overflow" park. I don't know the numbers, but I'd guess most DCA guests on any given day are Park Hoppers and AP holders. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind paying full price for a one-park ticket to DCA. As for Marvel... they're probably not ready to say anything concrete yet.
 
Old Mouseketeer

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Phrubruh said:
Florida had cheap land and Disney did it in a sneaky way. They even setup their own government there so everything was always in their favor. Disney just didn't have the money, resources and knowledge to do that in Anaheim. However, when the day is over Disneyland is still far superior to anything built in Florida.
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Yes and no. It's really apples and oranges. Disneyland is the original and generally wins on charm, heart, and quality. WDW wins on sheer scale and breadth of offerings. For a long time it didn't matter where they built a major attraction first, it was better at Disneyland. Now there are at least a couple of exceptions: ToT, Splash, CBJ on charm, Soarin' on capacity, Everest vs. Matterhorn.

Walt credited The Florida Project with "the blessing of size" and he was right. Disneyland Park is my heart--I grew up there, I worked there just out of high school. But I respect the accomplishments of furthering Walt's dreams at WDW and around the world. There is a quality to Walt's original Magic Kingdom that stands apart. But I embrace the rest of the dream (except Pirates-WDW--I spit on it, I smite it, I loathe it).
 
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