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DryerLintFan

Premium Member
Agree. All you have to do is ask a CM nearby and they'll help get you out of line and back in.

How many of us have gotten in line and after 30 minutes realized we needed to go and couldn't wait.
Not that it adds to this specific conversation but it's preferable to get CM help with this because they can help you pop back in to the right part of the live to catch your party again instead of crawling over everyone through the back of the queue. We were dropped back into the line at Rise so fast forward we actually had to wait on the side for our family for seven minutes but it sure beat trying to elbow past everyone in line
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
Not that it adds to this specific conversation but it's preferable to get CM help with this because they can help you pop back in to the right part of the live to catch your party again instead of crawling over everyone through the back of the queue. We were dropped back into the line at Rise so fast forward we actually had to wait on the side for our family for seven minutes but it sure beat trying to elbow past everyone in line

Once had a mom standing in front of me ask me to hold her spot while she took her kid to the bathroom...he was doing that dance. Told her to speak to the CM nearby and they'd be glad to help.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Not at all true. CMs are not trained that this is a rule. In fact, when I was a CM I always allowed people to leave and come back for bathroom emergencies or whatever they needed to do. It’s Disney, what was I gonna do? Say, “tough cookies, you left the line and now you have to wait until your family gets off the ride without you. Have a magical day!” My managers would have ripped me a new one if I did that to a family. Even if it’s a rule written on some obscure part of their website (is it? I don’t think it is) it is NOT a rule that Disney trains or enforces. I’ve yet to encounter a single CM who bars someone from catching up to their family already in line.
I'm saying that's what should be done.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
I thought Florida law a few years ago protects private firearms secured in your private automobile. Even if on your employer’s property?
That is correct. The only exceptions are schools, correctional institutions, nuclear power plants and any property leased or rented to conduct national defense, aerospace or homeland security activities.
WDW is also an exception: it has a federal explosive exemption because of the fireworks that are kept and used onsite. You are not allowed to keep firearms in your car at WDW, even if you’re an employee.
 
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Vacationeer

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
It takes two to tango. If something egregious happens the best thing to do is let a CM or GM know (unless needing to restrain somebody from physically assaulting another).

To me line cutting means popping into the middle of a line or trying to access the fastlane without privilege.

There’s the grey area of meeting up with your party. Like one person at ropedrop or character meet getting into line while the rest of that large group joins much later is probably the crappiest form. A 5yo’s potty break seems easier to tolerate. Either way, I think the practice will get tiresome. Most people don’t enjoy being growled at, given stink eye, needing to excuse themselves repetitively through tight packed lines, or potentially igniting a confrontation. Grey cutting over and over really isn’t worth the stress for most people. I think most people will self correct, especially the more experience they get with this. Maybe this thinking is wrong but it makes me not care; their choices negatively affect them way more than me.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
Florida Statutes prohibit employers firing employees, who are lawfully allowed to possess a firearm, who keep a gun securely locked in their private vehicle in the company parking lot.

True. Very true.

But guess who's going to get the crappiest jobs and even worse performance appraisals should Disney find out they've got a gun in their car...

And it won't be all of a sudden, it'll be gradual enough to beat a lawsuit over retaliation.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
True. Very true.

But guess who's going to get the crappiest jobs and even worse performance appraisals should Disney find out they've got a gun in their car...

And it won't be all of a sudden, it'll be gradual enough to beat a lawsuit over retaliation.
You ever work in a unionized environment ? The top performer and bottom performer receive the same annual pay increases.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
True. Very true.

But guess who's going to get the crappiest jobs and even worse performance appraisals should Disney find out they've got a gun in their car...

And it won't be all of a sudden, it'll be gradual enough to beat a lawsuit over retaliation.
Again, it isn’t true in the case of WDW:

 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
Again, it isn’t true in the case of WDW:


Was that the employee who was showing his gun to his son and it went off, striking someone? The article is behind a paywall.

Even if there wasn't an exemption under Florida Statutes for companies covered under 18 U.S. Code § 842, carelessly discharging a firearm in public, resulting in injury, would be grounds for dismissal. Many municipalities have ordinances prohibiting the firing of guns by private citizens within the city limits, unless at a licensed range or other such facility
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LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
Was that the employee who was showing his gun to his son and it went off, striking someone? The article is behind a paywall.
I don’t know what employee you’re referring to. I was talking about the firearm law as it pertains to WDW more generally. The article isn’t behind a paywall; you just have to press the “Read More” button to see the whole thing.
 
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LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
I don’t know what employee you’re referring to. I was talking about the firearm law as it pertains to WDW more generally. The article isn’t behind a paywall; you just have to press the “Read More” button to see the whole thing.

No, it's behind a paywall if you've not subscribed to the Sentinel.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
No, it's behind a paywall if you've not subscribed to the Sentinel.
Well, I haven’t subscribed, and I can access it by pressing the “Read More” button. In any case, I’ve pasted the text below for you.

Disney fires back on guns at work​

Jul 03, 2008 at 12:00 am
Walt Disney World employees won't be packing any heat in the company parking lots anytime soon.

The giant resort has declared that much of its sprawling property is exempt from a new state law that allows Floridians with concealed-weapons permits to keep firearms locked in their cars at work.

Disney, which has 60,000 employees and a long-standing policy against allowing guns on its land, cites an arcane -- and late-added -- loophole in the new law, which took effect Tuesday.

The company's position stunned backers of the new law, who said Wednesday that they never intended to exempt Florida's largest single-site employer.

"You've got to be kidding me," said state Sen. Durell Peaden, a Panhandle Republican and one of the authors of the bill.

For three years, much of the big-business community in Florida -- including Disney, the Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation -- had vigorously opposed legislation intended to ensure that employees could store guns in their vehicles while at work. That opposition was offset by strong support from the National Rifle Association, however, and such a bill finally was approved this spring by the state Legislature.

But Disney now contends it is largely unaffected by the measure.

In a memo circulated last week and obtained by the Orlando Sentinel, Disney World Vice President of Public Affairs Shannon McAleavey advised other company executives that, with a few exceptions, "this law does not apply to Walt Disney World Co. owned and leased properties." Consequently, Disney "continues to maintain a zero tolerance policy" for guns. If an employee brings one onto Disney World property without authorization, it could be grounds for termination, the memo states.

In an interview Wednesday, McAleavey said it is a matter of "protecting the safety of our cast and our guests."

Move outrages NRA

The NRA reacted quickly.

The organization issued an alert Wednesday to members under the heading, "Disney Thumbing Nose at the New Florida Gun Law," accusing Disney of being a "prime offender when it comes to firing employees for exercising Second Amendment rights."

Disney cites language within Florida's newly enacted "Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008" that creates an exception for companies whose primary business is to manufacture, use, store or transport explosives regulated under federal law.

"I intended it to exempt places like defense plants, Air Force bases, things like that," said Peaden, who sponsored the bill in the Senate. "But not Disney. Not at all."

But on the same day that the House took its final vote on the gun bill, the exemption for explosives companies was revised so that it also includes "property owned or leased by an employer who has obtained a permit" under federal law for such explosives.

Disney has such a permit, for the extensive fireworks used in its theme parks.

State Rep. Stan Mayfield, a Vero Beach Republican also involved in crafting the final legislation, said lawmakers had agreed to insert that exception at the request of a small group of lawyers representing several businesses and business groups -- including Disney.

But Mayfield said nobody ever intended for the language to spare so much of the Disney resort, which covers about 30,000 acres.

"I don't think anybody that voted for that bill expected Disney to be exempt," Mayfield said.

Disney officials said they have carefully reviewed the language and determined that the law excludes most Disney World property. McAleavey's memo concluded that it exempts "all theme parks, resorts, theme-park and resort parking lots, Cast Member parking lots, administrative offices across the Walt Disney World Resort, Downtown Disney, Disney's Wide World of Sports Complex, hotels on Hotel Plaza Boulevard, Celebration and the Disney Reservation Centers" in Orlando and Tampa.

The language does not exempt Disney Vacation Club's Vero Beach Resort, Disney Cruise Line's crew-member parking lots and a couple of other Disney properties in Florida, according to the memo.

Law challenged in court

But McAleavey also noted that the Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation are challenging the law in court, and Disney would continue to support that effort. A Tampa judge could rule this month, "and we are hopeful it will be overturned," she wrote.

Other theme parks also might hold appropriate explosives permits because of their fireworks programs.

But Universal Orlando is claiming a different exemption: The resort houses a work-study program, the Universal Education Center, that is staffed by Orange County Public Schools.

"We are required to follow school-district policies," spokesman Tom Schroder said. "The Orange County Public School System is exempt from this law. We have so informed our team members."

SeaWorld takes an entirely different approach: That company supports the rights of its employees or visitors to transport legal firearms in their cars, "and we have for some time," spokeswoman Becca Bides said.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
Well, I haven’t subscribed, and I can access it by pressing the “Read More” button. In any case, I’ve pasted the text below for you.

Disney fires back on guns at work​

Jul 03, 2008 at 12:00 am
Walt Disney World employees won't be packing any heat in the company parking lots anytime soon.

The giant resort has declared that much of its sprawling property is exempt from a new state law that allows Floridians with concealed-weapons permits to keep firearms locked in their cars at work.

Disney, which has 60,000 employees and a long-standing policy against allowing guns on its land, cites an arcane -- and late-added -- loophole in the new law, which took effect Tuesday.

The company's position stunned backers of the new law, who said Wednesday that they never intended to exempt Florida's largest single-site employer.

"You've got to be kidding me," said state Sen. Durell Peaden, a Panhandle Republican and one of the authors of the bill.

For three years, much of the big-business community in Florida -- including Disney, the Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation -- had vigorously opposed legislation intended to ensure that employees could store guns in their vehicles while at work. That opposition was offset by strong support from the National Rifle Association, however, and such a bill finally was approved this spring by the state Legislature.

But Disney now contends it is largely unaffected by the measure.

In a memo circulated last week and obtained by the Orlando Sentinel, Disney World Vice President of Public Affairs Shannon McAleavey advised other company executives that, with a few exceptions, "this law does not apply to Walt Disney World Co. owned and leased properties." Consequently, Disney "continues to maintain a zero tolerance policy" for guns. If an employee brings one onto Disney World property without authorization, it could be grounds for termination, the memo states.

In an interview Wednesday, McAleavey said it is a matter of "protecting the safety of our cast and our guests."

Move outrages NRA

The NRA reacted quickly.

The organization issued an alert Wednesday to members under the heading, "Disney Thumbing Nose at the New Florida Gun Law," accusing Disney of being a "prime offender when it comes to firing employees for exercising Second Amendment rights."

Disney cites language within Florida's newly enacted "Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008" that creates an exception for companies whose primary business is to manufacture, use, store or transport explosives regulated under federal law.

"I intended it to exempt places like defense plants, Air Force bases, things like that," said Peaden, who sponsored the bill in the Senate. "But not Disney. Not at all."

But on the same day that the House took its final vote on the gun bill, the exemption for explosives companies was revised so that it also includes "property owned or leased by an employer who has obtained a permit" under federal law for such explosives.

Disney has such a permit, for the extensive fireworks used in its theme parks.

State Rep. Stan Mayfield, a Vero Beach Republican also involved in crafting the final legislation, said lawmakers had agreed to insert that exception at the request of a small group of lawyers representing several businesses and business groups -- including Disney.

But Mayfield said nobody ever intended for the language to spare so much of the Disney resort, which covers about 30,000 acres.

"I don't think anybody that voted for that bill expected Disney to be exempt," Mayfield said.

Disney officials said they have carefully reviewed the language and determined that the law excludes most Disney World property. McAleavey's memo concluded that it exempts "all theme parks, resorts, theme-park and resort parking lots, Cast Member parking lots, administrative offices across the Walt Disney World Resort, Downtown Disney, Disney's Wide World of Sports Complex, hotels on Hotel Plaza Boulevard, Celebration and the Disney Reservation Centers" in Orlando and Tampa.

The language does not exempt Disney Vacation Club's Vero Beach Resort, Disney Cruise Line's crew-member parking lots and a couple of other Disney properties in Florida, according to the memo.

Law challenged in court

But McAleavey also noted that the Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation are challenging the law in court, and Disney would continue to support that effort. A Tampa judge could rule this month, "and we are hopeful it will be overturned," she wrote.

Other theme parks also might hold appropriate explosives permits because of their fireworks programs.

But Universal Orlando is claiming a different exemption: The resort houses a work-study program, the Universal Education Center, that is staffed by Orange County Public Schools.

"We are required to follow school-district policies," spokesman Tom Schroder said. "The Orange County Public School System is exempt from this law. We have so informed our team members."

SeaWorld takes an entirely different approach: That company supports the rights of its employees or visitors to transport legal firearms in their cars, "and we have for some time," spokeswoman Becca Bides said.

Thanks. I've repeatedly said - never underestimate the incompetence of the Florida Legislature.
 

zombiebbq

Well-Known Member
I have no idea how you got an obligation to appease people out of an explanation of what leads to people acting out.

Disney is contributing to the problem - I never said they owe some appeasement to those who snap.

Read more.
Exactly my point as well. We're having a discussion on why this may be happening more, or why this is happening now. Not whether it should be happening (we all know it shouldn't be).
 

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