Alcohol in the Magic Kingdom

[Zippity-do-DAD]

Speaking for myself only, these 2 comments make a lot more sense to me than reciting how many violent crimes are committed due to alcohol..and alluding to WDW become ridden with crime bc of table service restaurants serving alcohol.
I can see your concerns without agreeing with them...they can be understood without being outlandish.

I see your point as well. My point in the "stats" post is simple. Perhaps for the topic it may appear outlandish, but it was exactly what Walt did in over emphasizing the ills of alcohol by allowing Pinnocchio to grow a tail and become
a "donkey". Certainly alcohol doesn't not make one grow a tale etc, but by illustrating the "extremes" it helps to put the subject in proper context. So much in this thread has painted alcohol in a light not much different than that of a cup of coffee with a meal. This portrayal is obviously not accurate on one end of the spectrum, just as my stat sheet isn't necessarily the outcome for everyone that drinks. Therefore, seeing that the innocence of alcohol was being over stated, I felt it necessary for someone to also point out the not so flattering end of the spectrum. I don't say this angry, (I know in text it's hard to tell, I just believed all of the "positive" comments on alcohol needed a little balance.

 

[James Norrie]

Height requirements actually have nothing to do with what age someone should visit WDW. They have to do with the safety of the specific ride. Said "safety requirements" are MUCH different now than when I was a child. I was riding things at 3 that my son couldn't do until 6.

"All ages" is exactly what it means - All Ages. Adults and Children enjoying the same space. Don't know why there is so much confusion with those 2 words.

I never said there was a recommended age to visit WDW (That being said, why bring an infant other than to take a bunch of pictures???)How many 4 Year olds do you know that are 5' tall? Height requirements are designed as dual purpose safety measures. So you are half correct, I'll give you that. I do agree that most of WDW is all-ages. However, there are areas designed for those under a specific age or height, why shouldn't there be a place for adults to escape the kids and Helicopter Moms that don't notice how out of control their child is? Yes, I get it, you feel that bringing your kid into a lounge is acceptable. I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, to each their own. However, I would personally not bring my child into a Bar because there is a much greater possibility they are going to see or hear something that is inappropriate for their impressionable and developing brain. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD

If only they had an adult entertainment area where people could gather for adult-oriented shows, with drinks and heavy snacks... you know, like maybe a re-creation of a 1930's-style Adventurer's Club, or some kind of Improv Comedy Warehouse venue...

Maybe a place themed to be New Years Eve every night? With live music and great clubs??? I think you're on to something here... Oh Wait.

 

[Zippity-do-DAD]

My guess is that you see alcohol anywhere as a negative.

Lol, pretty much. I know, I'm weird.

 

[Zippity-do-DAD]

There are quite a few who disagree with this decision...but not for the reason you do...

(Serious question, not argument)
I wonder why Walt didn't want it in MK.

 

[WDW74]

Pleeeeeeeze, let @lostpro9het and myself weigh in on the brew selections !

 

[Matt_Black]

I see your point as well. My point in the "stats" post is simple. Perhaps for the topic it may appear outlandish, but it was exactly what Walt did in over emphasizing the ills of alcohol by allowing Pinnocchio to grow a tail and become
a "donkey". Certainly alcohol doesn't not make one grow a tale etc, but by illustrating the "extremes" it helps to put the subject in proper context.

He also showed King Stefan and King Hubert tying one on in Sleeping Beauty (not to mention the minstrel!) and they turned out fine.

 

[bhg469]

I think this is a step in the right direction but I think its not great. In an age where craft cocktails are all the rage, beer and wine is something that they are offering? Their generic drink menu is ok...but they can do sooooo much better. Im happy to see this change but Budweiser and sutter home aren't what I am looking for in an adult beverage.

 

[Zippity-do-DAD]

He also showed King Stefan and King Hubert tying one on in Sleeping Beauty (not to mention the minstrel!) and they turned out find.

Whatever works for you.

 

[beertiki]

So, I live in Key West, and I am an alcoholic. Most of us down here are, it's a different culture.

Regarding the crime, put a lock on your bike, that's it. 80% greater chance of rape? A quick search showed 48 per 100,000 for KW, 69 per 100,000 for Orlando. You can buy a "walking beer", and drinks with or for breakfast is normal.
I drink a lot at Disney, but I like to think I handle it well. At least my wife has never had to tell me to tighten up. If Bud Lt is not classy enough for the MK, I propose that they ban the turkey leg first. There is nothing less classy than a turkey leg.

 

[Jess G]

Do the people that have a problem with alcohol in MK not go to Epcot?? It's not like they're selling cocktails at the popcorn stand. I'm all for beer and wine with a nice sit down meal.... And yes I will order champagne while dining inside of a castle

 

[GoofGoof]

So much in this thread has painted alcohol in a light not much different than that of a cup of coffee with a meal. This portrayal is obviously not accurate on one end of the spectrum, just as my stat sheet isn't necessarily the outcome for everyone that drinks. Therefore, seeing that the innocence of alcohol was being over stated, I felt it necessary for someone to also point out the not so flattering end of the spectrum.

Actually, 1 beer or 1 glass of wine with dinner is not much different than a cup of coffee for a lot of people, especially those who drink wine or beer on a regular basis and are also consuming a meal. For less frequent drinkers or smaller people it is possible to feel intoxicated on only a drink or two, especially on an empty stomach.

 

[Matt_Black]

Actually, 1 beer or 1 glass of wine with dinner is not much different than a cup of coffee for a lot of people, especially those who drink wine or beer on a regular basis and are also consuming a meal. For less frequent drinkers or smaller people it is possible to feel intoxicated on only a drink or two, especially on an empty stomach.

But if you can only buy alcohol in MK at a restaurant (which presumably do not have bars, meaning you can only drink if you have a reservation for a meal), then the "empty stomach" thing shouldn't be an issue.

 

[flynnibus]

I think others are seeing the bigger picture, and not what is being said today.

If only we could make this mandatory training.. Given the quarter we've had with changes.. It amazes me people still think bigger change isn't underway.

 

[GoofGoof]

But if you can only buy alcohol in MK at a restaurant (which presumably do not have bars, meaning you can only drink if you have a reservation for a meal), then the "empty stomach" thing shouldn't be an issue.

Yes. If they do it like BOG there is no bar. You can't just have drinks and no hard liquor. They only serve beer/wine with dinner. It's served in a glass, not a plastic cup and I don't believe you can take it to go.

 

[flynnibus]

Alcohol IS acceptable. You don't seem to get that.

So is nudity, swearing, and many other fun activities in my book. But little of that has relevance to how Disney envisioned his parks and the product he set out to create.

I don't care about alcohol or not in the parks.. but apparently Disney did. Club33 isn't part of the park, its just located in it.

I think the choices made for Disneyland and the type of visiting patterns they had in the 50s and 60s don't really apply to WDW.. or even DLR now. So I don't really think the 'ban' really makes sense for the current parks. But I do think Disney still has an obligation to maintain the type of environment Disney created.. and part of that is the level of civility, service, and welcoming nature the parks had. To that extent, Disney should be an active participant (IMO) to ensure people are not publically drunk and many of the negative consequences that come with that. So how/where and to what extent you serve and promote alcohol is part of that. And is the failing (IMO) of what is happening in EPCOT.

 

[Zippity-do-DAD]

Actually, 1 beer or 1 glass of wine with dinner is not much different than a cup of coffee for a lot of people, especially those who drink wine or beer on a regular basis and are also consuming a meal. For less frequent drinkers or smaller people it is possible to feel intoxicated on only a drink or two, especially on an empty stomach.

I know there are many hairs to be split here by everyone in defense of their stance, BUT, seriously, are we so selfish to want what we want so bad that we are willing to promote alcohol to our kids as sometimes as harmless as coffee! Alcohol could never be promoted again and we'd still have an epidemic of its consequences. (Which are slightly worse than coffee). When we as "adults" falsely soften its image, we might as well give them a green light. Atleast that's how I see it.

 

[Zippity-do-DAD]

But if you can only buy alcohol in MK at a restaurant (which presumably do not have bars, meaning you can only drink if you have a reservation for a meal), then the "empty stomach" thing shouldn't be an issue.

Do you really think it's gonna staying only "in the restaurants"? They've fed us that line before.

 

[21stamps]

I never said there was a recommended age to visit WDW (That being said, why bring an infant other than to take a bunch of pictures???)How many 4 Year olds do you know that are 5' tall? Height requirements are designed as dual purpose safety measures. So you are half correct, I'll give you that. I do agree that most of WDW is all-ages. However, there are areas designed for those under a specific age or height, why shouldn't there be a place for adults to escape the kids and Helicopter Moms that don't notice how out of control their child is? Yes, I get it, you feel that bringing your kid into a lounge is acceptable. I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, to each their own. However, I would personally not bring my child into a Bar because there is a much greater possibility they are going to see or hear something that is inappropriate for their impressionable and developing brain. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD


Maybe a place themed to be New Years Eve every night? With live music and great clubs??? I think you're on to something here... Oh Wait.

First, 48" is the max height requirement at WDW, and there's only 2 that require that... Most 6 year olds are 48", the rest of the attractions with requirements, much younger. Of course there will always be a few exceptions there, but I'm quoting the norms. I can't remember my 1st birthday at WDW, but from the photos it looks like I enjoyed it, and my parents said I did, so I'll choose to believe them. I did not choose to bring my own child at that age.

As for the rest-
Simple question- Do you bring your kids to the pools at WDW? They all have a bar, are they inappropriate for children? Heaven forbid that you order a cocktail while sitting at a table a few feet away and eating with your child, right? Their developing brains can't handle seeing someone have an adult beverage? They should definitely NOT see people sitting at a bar drinking while they are at a pool.

Where does the ridiculous judgement stop? I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that you have not been to any of the places that I mentioned. If you think these places are full of rowdy drunks then I don't know what to tell you. My kid could see a rowdy drunk at a professional baseball game, probably a stronger chance of that then at a WDW lounge while at a table by ourselves. Let me guess, professional sports game are inappropriate for developing minds as well? We should all keep kids in a little bubble...that way they can grow up to be judgmental and small minded too. Children's minds are impressionable. Condemning them to a world of hot dogs, chicken fingers, lack of experiences, and never knowing how to act appropriately in a "grown up" setting is one of the worst impressions of life that I could give my child. My opinion obviously, you do you.

 

[GoofGoof]

I know there are many hairs to be split here by everyone in defense of their stance, BUT, seriously, are we so selfish to want what we want so bad that we are willing to promote alcohol to our kids as sometimes as harmless as coffee! Alcohol could never be promoted again and we'd still have an epidemic of its consequences. (Which are slightly worse than coffee). When we as "adults" falsely soften its image, we might as well give them a green light. Atleast that's how I see it.

My kids have a "green light" to consume alcohol when they turn 21. It's my job as a parent to show them the proper way to do it responsibly. Hiding it from them serves no good. And remember we are agreeing to disagree on the concept that alcohol is evil so we will never see eye to eye on this.

 

[GoofGoof]

First, 48" is the max height requirement at WDW, and there's only 2 that require that... Most 6 year olds are 48", the rest of the attractions with requirements, much younger. Of course there will always be a few exceptions there, but I'm quoting the norms. I can't remember my 1st birthday at WDW, but from the photos it looks like I enjoyed it, and my parents said I did, so I'll choose to believe them. I did not choose to bring my own child at that age.

As for the rest-
Simple question- Do you bring your kids to the pools at WDW? They all have a bar, are they inappropriate for children? Heaven forbid that you order a cocktail while sitting at a table a few feet away and eating with your child, right? Their developing brains can't handle seeing someone have an adult beverage? They should definitely NOT see people sitting at a bar drinking while they are at a pool.

Where does the ridiculous judgement stop? I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that you have not been to any of the places that I mentioned. If you think these places are full of rowdy drunks then I don't know what to tell you. My kid could see a rowdy drunk at a professional baseball game, probably a stronger chance of that then at a WDW lounge while at a table by ourselves. Let me guess, professional sports game are inappropriate for developing minds as well? We should all keep kids in a little bubble...that way they can grow up to be judgmental and small minded too. Children's minds are impressionable. Condemning them to a world of hot dogs, chicken fingers, lack of experiences, and never knowing how to act appropriately in a "grown up" setting is one of the worst impressions of life that I could give my child. My opinion obviously, you do you.

I would have gone football game over baseball. Could just be a Philly thing

 

[21stamps]

I would have gone football game over baseball. Could just be a Philly thing

lol, I actually don't bring him to regular season football games yet. We do one or 2 pre season..but I'm waiting another year or 2 on the football. We're in Bengals territory, there's a lot of cursing and yelling going on at those. Who can blame the fans though?

ETA, we are both huge College and NFL fans. I just think for now, for me, I'm not ready to take him to the stadium during regular season, for a few reasons. Baseball we've been doing for years.