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Al Lutz reporting marketing push for 2011

AndyMagic

Well-Known Member
People keep posting this but do not provide any proof or support. Just saying it doesn't make it so. There have been numerous cited articles and links proving just the opposite on this thread and not a single one supporting Harry as the more popular.

Not to be rude but you should really give it a rest. The sheer number of posts by you on this topic and your rantings about how Star Wars is this universally loved "work of art" prove you have zero objectivity. Your "numerous cited articles" prove nothing at all. Boys between the ages of 5 and 10 prefer Star Wars to Harry Potter? Yeah? And? That isn't surprising at all to me. It certainly doesn't give any indication as to what is more popular or influential in the general sense. Boys between the ages of 5 and 10 enjoy all kinds of terribly unpopular things like worms and mud. Also, anybody who follows the film industry closely would tell you that "adjusted for inflation" numbers are meaningless. Films in the 70s were a remarkably different beast. They didn't have the internet, DVDs or "On Demand" TV. Just stop it already. Let's all just agree to disagree and get back to the topic at hand.
 

stlbobby

Well-Known Member
Not to be rude but you should really give it a rest. The sheer number of posts by you on this topic and your rantings about how Star Wars is this universally loved "work of art" prove you have zero objectivity. Your "numerous cited articles" prove nothing at all. Boys between the ages of 5 and 10 prefer Star Wars to Harry Potter? Yeah? And? That isn't surprising at all to me. It certainly doesn't give any indication as to what is more popular or influential in the general sense. Boys between the ages of 5 and 10 enjoy all kinds of terribly unpopular things like worms and mud. Also, anybody who follows the film industry closely would tell you that "adjusted for inflation" numbers are meaningless. Films in the 70s were a remarkably different beast. They didn't have the internet, DVDs or "On Demand" TV. Just stop it already. Let's all just agree to disagree and get back to the topic at hand.

So you want to not to be rude, but then continue to personally attack me. Wow. I can post as many times as I want, and my posts are in no-way rants. I make solid arguments supported by facts and citations. Which is exactly how you prove things.

Additionally if you read all my posts you would realize I have been nothing but objective. The fact that I use outside sources and my contentions have been supported by other posters shows my objectivity.

If you aren't interested in the topic then just move on don't attack people for expressing their thoughts.

You are right that within the industry adjusted grosses mean nothing, because the industry is all about money. I was using adjusted grosses, actually another poster cited them and I reposted them, to counter the claim that HP was more popular then Star Wars based on series grosses.
 

misterID

Well-Known Member
I have to wonder who the Harry Potter Lego building sets and Lego video games are aimed at then. Most likely the same audience TCW has.

The original Star wars wasn't aimed directly at children either, yet they became a merchandise powerhouse targeting children. I was one of them :D

HP is just following their lead. Doesn't mean the films or books were directly aimed at children.

TCW is absolutely targeted for children.
 

sublimesting

Well-Known Member
Let's take a look at how enmeshed Star Wars has become in our culture vs. Harry Potter:

Most people have run across the following multiple times in their lives in some way shape or form:

"May the Force Be With You."
Jedi
lightsaber
Darth Vader
Yoda
C3PO
R2D2
Luke
Han Solo
Princess Leia
Princess Leia in slave outfit...
Storm Trooper
Death Star
"A long time ago in a galaxy far far away...."

I would wager to say that the VAST majority of the population in America knows what every one of these things are.

Now let's look at Harry Potter (which I like very much BTW)

Muggle
Voldemort
Dumbledore
Harry Potter
Hermione
Ron
Griffindor
Slitherin
Snape
Death Eater
The boy who lived
Sorceror's Stone (Philosopher's Stone)


Which group of words more immediatley register's in people's psyche? If you really think about it, most people really are not familiar with HP. Granted the books are wildly popular. I resisted reading them for years cause I didn't want to get all caught up in that but I did read eventually them and found them to be quite addicting. The movies, to be honest are hard to follow without the books and lose A LOT in translation. The SW movies/merchandising just strikes a chord with people that they can relate to for some reason. What's really magical is STar Wars. Look at opening day for instance. With hardly any press a movie panned by critics initially sold out with lines around the block across the nation. It built from there.
I don't think HP is a fad but I also don't think it will gain in popularity from this point. As a franchise it is now complete. Star Wars spanned at least 2 to maybe 3 generations and installed intself equally as a powerhouse of a franchise in all. It captured the hearts of kids and their parents in the 70's and 80's and then those same kids and their children in the 90's and 2000's. Haas it slowed up a bit? I don't think so. The new edition of the figures are selling better than they did when they first came out in 1994. HP attempted to sell figures and that failed.... Ask yourself why?
 

sublimesting

Well-Known Member
When Potter has been around as long maybe then that would be a valid point.


I have a valid point now. Like I said, As a franchise HP is complete. SW is still producing new books and television. The SW story continues on. SW has basically been a continuing saga for 33 years now. Within 13 years of being released (where the HP franchise is now) Star Wars was in the midst of its first resurrgence when new books and comics were being published with the new wave of VERY popular figures to follow in a couple of years. At the 13 year point STar Wars was FIRMLY in the lexicon of our culture where HP is not close to being at that point. No doubt HP books and movies are wildly popular but they are not at the level of Star Wars.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
I have a valid point now. Like I said, As a franchise HP is complete. SW is still producing new books and television. The SW story continues on. SW has basically been a continuing saga for 33 years now. Within 13 years of being released (where the HP franchise is now) Star Wars was in the midst of its first resurrgence when new books and comics were being published with the new wave of VERY popular figures to follow in a couple of years. At the 13 year point STar Wars was FIRMLY in the lexicon of our culture where HP is not close to being at that point. No doubt HP books and movies are wildly popular but they are not at the level of Star Wars.
I agree.

As I said earlier, Rowling's own creative grip on her universe may be it's undoing.

She created a world as big as Star Wars, but she won't let anyone else in. There is enough interest that additional books, comics, and other spinoffs could sustain HP for as long as Star Wars.

Star Wars has lasted as long as it has in part, for better or worse, because Lucas has allowed others to play in the sandbox.
 

AndyMagic

Well-Known Member
So you want to not to be rude, but then continue to personally attack me. Wow. I can post as many times as I want, and my posts are in no-way rants. I make solid arguments supported by facts and citations. Which is exactly how you prove things.

Additionally if you read all my posts you would realize I have been nothing but objective. The fact that I use outside sources and my contentions have been supported by other posters shows my objectivity.

If you aren't interested in the topic then just move on don't attack people for expressing their thoughts.

You are right that within the industry adjusted grosses mean nothing, because the industry is all about money. I was using adjusted grosses, actually another poster cited them and I reposted them, to counter the claim that HP was more popular then Star Wars based on series grosses.

I have indeed read all of your posts and if you think any of it has been objective then you don't understand the meaning of the word. All of your arguments have been unfounded and illogical. They are also "supported" by articles that are either irrelevant or misleading. I gave you two examples of this in my previous post which you conveniently brushed off in your response. I am interested in the topic that this thread is supposed to be about. This isn't a Star Wars vs. Harry Potter thread.
 

sublimesting

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Here it is.....
 

stlbobby

Well-Known Member
I have indeed read all of your posts and if you think any of it has been objective then you don't understand the meaning of the word. All of your arguments have been unfounded and illogical. They are also "supported" by articles that are either irrelevant or misleading. I gave you two examples of this in my previous post which you conveniently brushed off in your response. I am interested in the topic that this thread is supposed to be about. This isn't a Star Wars vs. Harry Potter thread.

None of the articles I have posted have been irrelevant or misleading. Articles by a leading film historian on the artistic merits and historical significance of Star Wars support my contentions reguarding the merits of the film. Articles quoting sales figures and box office receipts, not all of which were posted by me, speak directly to the heart of the argument.

You even asked for these references:

With what data are you basing that statement on? Everything I've ever read has stated the opposite.

Yet you never provided a single article, quote, or link from the vast amounts of material you imply states Harry is the more popular franchise.

You are irritated by the references because they all contradict your notions.

I understand objectivity, and objectivity involves looking at both sides of an argument, and using facts, figures, and experts to evaluate the merits of a point of view. Providing sales figures, essays published in respected cultural magazines, and numerical facts to support my side of the argument is objective.

Additionally I have proven my objectivity by conceding several points in favor of Potter. I have repeatedly stated Potter is popular and important just not on par with Star Wars. I absolutely supported the poster that said WWoHP will be bigger than Star Tours 2. I have admitted references from the books and movies have penetrated pop culture. I agreed that Harry may be selling more in-park merchandise, but since we don't have the sales figures no one know that for sure, and it isn't the slam dunk Potter fans are purporting. I totally give Harry credit, where it is due.

If the examples you refer to me brushing off were your mean spirited characterizations of my posts or unfounded bashing of Star Wars and Harry Potter fans, then yes I did ignore them because there really isn't a counter argument to something as stupid as, "Boys between the ages of 5 and 10 enjoy all kinds of terribly unpopular things like worms and mud."

Obviously you aren't that interested the Duffy Bear topic because you have posted multiple times on this thread and have yet to offer anything related to the bear. You were one of the first people to comment on the Star Wars vs Harry Potter subject in responding to sublimesting, and are now just attacking people because you have been so soundly proven wrong, and are unable to admit it. But since you have no real arguments to make you can only attack other posters, make ridiculous statements, and complain about a thread drift you were instrumental in creating.
 

stlbobby

Well-Known Member
Back to the original topic of this thread...

Today's email from disneystore.com features Mickey's Magical Bear. This may, or may not, be the start of the "marketing push" that Al spoke of.

That's the bear I thought they were talking about, but other posters, who seem to really know their bears, say Duffy is different. I'll have to wait and see when I go in December.
 

_Scar

Active Member
That's the bear I thought they were talking about, but other posters, who seem to really know their bears, say Duffy is different. I'll have to wait and see when I go in December.


Pretty 100% positive that the "Disney Bear" and "Duffy" are the same thing.
 

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