Aggressive/Nasty Security Member Encounter

MattFrees71

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
The more I think about it: it's like: "Really?? go ballistic on someone for trying to get into a security check??" And I mean he was MAD- like sweaty/red-in-the-face mad from the beginning. I was just stunned thinking in the back of my mind: "Is this really happening??"

Also regarding getting his name- I did provide his physical description in the email (I just cut that out of my first post to stick to the actual interaction to share on this forum), but unfortunately was so caught in the moment when it happened I forgot to get his name. It was my first interaction of this type with a Disney employee and was caught off guard: but definitely a learning lesson and will remember to get their name in the future.
 
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correcaminos

Well-Known Member
I wasn't defending it. I noted that it was invasive without probable cause (although Disney is not subject to the same legal restrictions a public entity...we choose to accept their terms when we buy a ticket). You could still fit a razor in a credit card holder BTW; semantics.
Sorry the only two that quoted gave reasons why they were looking. I guess I am not looking for why they did it because no reason makes sense to me. Wasn't trying to be picky but my CC holder is a lot tighter than a wallet so unless the slot was empty a razor wouldn't fit. Heck a card almost doesn'tfit at times lol. Even then what they did was uncool. I could more easily hide one in my bra than a credit card holder. No matter what, I suggest people think about what it is like for security theater to just go through cards like they were looking for something in the card. I think any justification or thought as to why they did it would not be welcomed. Private property or not those numbers could have been lifted. So I guess I am just a shocked that some think it could have a reason. Really wasn't okay, especially knowing I got a call right after I got home saying I needed a new card as charges in central FL took place. I'm not okay with theft and while I'm very sure it wasn't him, it still bothers me on principle
 
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SteamboatJoe

Well-Known Member
Sorry the only two that quoted gave reasons why they were looking. I guess I am not looking for why they did it because no reason makes sense to me. Wasn't trying to be picky but my CC holder is a lot tighter than a wallet so unless the slot was empty a razor wouldn't fit. Heck a card almost doesn'tfit at times lol. Even then what they did was uncool. I could more easily hide one in my bra than a credit card holder. No matter what, I suggest people think about what it is like for security theater to just go through cards like they were looking for something in the card. I think any justification or thought as to why they did it would not be welcomed. Private property or not those numbers could have been lifted. So I guess I am just a shocked that some think it could have a reason. Really wasn't okay, especially knowing I got a call right after I got home saying I needed a new card as charges in central FL took place. I'm not okay with theft and while I'm very sure it wasn't him, it still bothers me on principle
I don't blame you for feeling that way when it happened. I probably would've felt the same way.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
I was partly inspired to share this experience I had almost exactly a year ago (March 2018) after reading some other posts about rude cast members or other interactions (especially the Flower and Garden Festival 2004 incident thread). I mean, it was a year ago and I know it might be redundant to share now, but since it was the most vicious experience I ever had with a cast member, I couldn't help but post it here after recently joining this forum- and am curious if anyone else has ever had a similar experience.

Following is an slightly abridged (to keep the main gist for this forum) version of the email I sent to WDW Guest Communications which explains the whole encounter. I know it is very wordy, but I was pretty spun up about it at the time and wanted to convey the entirety of my feelings in regards to the incident.

After doing some research, it appears that they had been doing this type of security check at the TTC for at least a year before March 2018, and I had indeed visited within that time before (just once), but it had been long enough that I had forgotten the procedure, hence my reaction to the situation.

Interestingly, in the last year I've been visiting WDW, I've had great experiences with security guards, and it almost seems as if they make a conscious effort to be more friendly- I've had several bag checkers joke around with you, and they even have guards waving to guests walking back to the parking lot at the end of the day.


Dear Walt Disney World Guest Communications,


I hope you hear my input and take it into consideration to make sure
the described incident does not happen again.

I always appreciate/applaud friendly cast members/workers in the parks.
I understand what it is like to work with the public. I have worked in fast food,
grocery store, customer phone service, and retail. I know what it is like to deal with
rude customers. I have been brought up with and try to live the ideal of "a gentle
answer turns away wrath." So many conflicts I have observed could
have been so easily prevented if words had been calmly voiced rather
than in an aggressive or belligerent manner.
I know that to work at Disney, cast members/workers have to deal with a constant
flood of people that try to break the rules, are not informed of the rules, and
think the rules don't apply to them. I know this can be very stressing and taxing
on someone 24/7.

On March 11th, 2018, I and my parents came to the TTC to get
on the monorail to go to Epcot. At approximately 9:30am we were going through security
to get into the TTC. I had a small camera case and a plastic bag with some
clothing items inside. I went through the bag check with no incident. While
I was in bag check, I noticed that just beyond there were metal detectors that
people were going through. Being partially distracted with the bag check,
I didn't notice that not everyone had to go through the metal detectors and
various people were selected randomly by a security guard. I expected I was going
to have to go through the metal detectors- part of this thinking was due to the fact
that I had flown recently and was used to doing both the bag check and metal detectors
at airport security.

So there were two lines to go through the metal detectors, and the one that came out on
my side was a lot more full than the other one on my right. I figured it would be more
efficient to get in line for the metal detector on the right. I walked over there, and
right as I was getting into the line, one of the security guard men came over to me,
got close to my face, and said in a raised, very angry voice: "DID I CALL YOU TO COME
OVER INTO MY LINE!?" The body language, tone of voice, and intrusion right into my
physical distance of comfort made me think I had done something much more wrong than
just getting in line for a security check. I was tongue tied trying to figure out what
was the matter. I still thought EVERYONE had to go through the metal detectors, so I
thought that maybe he was mad at me for trying to go across into the other line since it
wasn't on the side I came out from the bag check. I wasn't sure what I was supposed
to do, the security guard then continued in an aggressive, loud, tone reprimanding me-
he said something to the effect of "YOU NEED TO TURN 5 FEET TO THE LEFT AND GO
15 FEET FORWARD!" I was so shaken up and confused that my mind was frozen. I couldn't
make sense of what he was saying. I was mortified to leave without going through the metal
detectors, and I didn't want to get yelled at more or get into worse trouble for evading security.
At this point he had gotten me to move over to the center in between the metal detectors, but I still
didn't understand, and I tried to walk back into the line, and he again aggressively spouted to me
something to the effect of: "BUD, GET OUT OF HERE AND GO OUT THERE!!!" I finally
understood what he meant and quickly exited in between the two metal detectors.

I was very shaken up to have been yelled at in that manner in front of everyone. I felt
as if he acted like I was willingly trying to cause trouble and he was on the verge
of taking more drastic measures with me.

I suppose that due to dealing with "out of line" guests all the time, this security guard snapped and
vented out pent up anger and frustration. All he needed to do was tell me in a normal tone of voice:
"Hey there, you don't need to go through the metal detectors unless you are called to;
go on ahead and exit through here" (and point/motion where to go).

I know security guards need to act strongly much of the time to deal with security
concerns and imply a presence. But with me, I was simply a guest who did not
understand a very simple procedure. I don't think I ever spat out 2 words and
was completely calm and expressed no emotion (besides confusion) during the ordeal.
There is absolutely no problem with giving orders/direction with guests in a firm manner
if necessary, but anything with anger, rudeness, or aggressiveness I believe is completely
uncalled for when the guest is compliant and simply confused needing calm,
clear direction. A further worry of mine would be for this security guard to lash out in such a
manner to a guest who has a mental condition that could possibly terribly upset or tip over the
edge such an individual.
I know what it is like to inwardly become frustrated with customers, but I never
let my emotions spill out to lash out at someone like that.

For a good portion of the time after this incident, I was fairly shaken up
and had trouble enjoying everything fully. I have always been a very
sensitive person, and this really affected me.

I really wish I could express to this security guard how he made me feel and that
the situation could have been resolved much easier if dealt with in a better way. To
him, I was just a nameless, incompetent, tourist whom he had no problem lashing out
pent up anger and frustration to.

I really hope your company stresses to all workers to not let their emotions or egos get
the better of them and lash out in anger at guests- especially those who are trying
not to cause trouble in the first place. To have an encounter
like this on my holiday was very discouraging.

Sincerely,

Matthew ***

__


Following I did get an email from someone in "Guest Experience Services" with an appropriate, yet somewhat canned response saying that they deeply value the telling of my experience at the "Bag check area of the Ticket and Transportation Center (i.e. insert keyword here), apologize that this cast member didn't uphold their high standards, reassure that my feedback would be "forwarded to the appropriate leaders," and that they will make sure to respect guests while keeping their number 1 priority of safety....

At the time, I was fairly satisfied and happy that they even replied, but reading over the response again a year later, I feel maybe just a little miffed of it being not the most personal. Still, I suppose someone had to read it for them to know what kind of response to send back, and since I've had positive experiences with security members since that time, I at least like to hope that my comment maybe had a part in helping there be a noticeable effort for security members being more friendly nowadays.

In order to avoid canned responses, I prefer to call and talk with someone over the phone on the rare occasions when I’ve had a complaint (or, better yet, I go to guest relations in person if I’m still at WDW). I’ve received complimentary Fastpasses and meal vouchers as compensation.
 

beertiki

Well-Known Member
Security at Disney bag searches is a joke. They spend more time looking in sunglass cases, make up bags, and unwrapping an almost weightless rain poncho than an overloaded stroller or ECV. If the bad guys want to bring something in, it's going to be inside or under a stroller or ECV. Put what ever want underneath a camera, they wont remove it from its case. I once joked that the easiest way to bring a gun into the MK would be to put it under a piece of pizza.

The metal detectors are worthless, set so low that my heavy dive watch won't make it go off. The hand wands are the same. If you need any more evidence that it's just security theater watch TSA before they wand you, security will test to make sure the wand is working by passing it over their belt buckle, every time, before every search, at Disney they dont, that wand is nothing but pixie dust.
 

SyracuseDisneyFan

Well-Known Member
I realize the job of a security guard's not exactly fun. However, in my mind, there's a nicer way to say something. I remember I was attending a Kenny Chesney concert at Gillette Stadium in 2017. One of the security guards was mean, impatient and snapping at everyone. I wanted to tell him to take a chill pill.
 

jloucks

Well-Known Member
Look at it from a tourist POV (those that go to WDW once in their life), they have 1 week to cram in as much as possible and shooting 30min a day in security lines as well as commuting time from the hotel, lots of lost time...

What you said is very underrated imho. That is, the cost per hour of going to WDW. It is expensive. Spending a total of an hour of your vacation in security lines is flat out disrespectful of the investment made in the vacation.

Security lines are different than ride lines in that with security, you can add more officers and speed up the line. Freakin' do it. Time is ticking by and time is finite and precious for WDW visitors.

I will say, that I have never had too long a wait in a security line @ WDW. I don't think over 15 minutes ever.

Lol, digressing for a minute... Six Flags has hour long security lines on a semi-regular basis. Boo Six Flags.There will be like 20 metal detector gates and they will have 3 open. 3. sigh
 

daisyduckie

Well-Known Member
Security at Disney bag searches is a joke. They spend more time looking in sunglass cases, make up bags, and unwrapping an almost weightless rain poncho than an overloaded stroller or ECV. If the bad guys want to bring something in, it's going to be inside or under a stroller or ECV. Put what ever want underneath a camera, they wont remove it from its case. I once joked that the easiest way to bring a gun into the MK would be to put it under a piece of pizza.

The metal detectors are worthless, set so low that my heavy dive watch won't make it go off. The hand wands are the same. If you need any more evidence that it's just security theater watch TSA before they wand you, security will test to make sure the wand is working by passing it over their belt buckle, every time, before every search, at Disney they dont, that wand is nothing but pixie dust.


I have found the bag check to be more intense my last few trips. They even open the zippers on my small bag that holds 3 pill bottles. As well as seeing them open the hood on strollers, and even have children pulled out to check the seats.
 

EOD K9

Well-Known Member
But you would think they'd have to have reasonable suspicion via sight, feel, or metal detector before getting that invasive.
I noted that it was invasive without probable cause (although Disney is not subject to the same legal restrictions as a public entity...
When subjecting oneself to an administrative security search, probable cause and/or reasonable suspicion is not needed when going through a person's belongings. All the pockets and zippers are fair game. Checking credit cards is a bit much, but secreted blades are not out of the realm of possibility.
 

WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
I was partly inspired to share this experience I had almost exactly a year ago (March 2018) after reading some other posts about rude cast members or other interactions (especially the Flower and Garden Festival 2004 incident thread). I mean, it was a year ago and I know it might be redundant to share now, but since it was the most vicious experience I ever had with a cast member, I couldn't help but post it here after recently joining this forum- and am curious if anyone else has ever had a similar experience.

Following is an slightly abridged (to keep the main gist for this forum) version of the email I sent to WDW Guest Communications which explains the whole encounter. I know it is very wordy, but I was pretty spun up about it at the time and wanted to convey the entirety of my feelings in regards to the incident.

After doing some research, it appears that they had been doing this type of security check at the TTC for at least a year before March 2018, and I had indeed visited within that time before (just once), but it had been long enough that I had forgotten the procedure, hence my reaction to the situation.

Interestingly, in the last year I've been visiting WDW, I've had great experiences with security guards, and it almost seems as if they make a conscious effort to be more friendly- I've had several bag checkers joke around with you, and they even have guards waving to guests walking back to the parking lot at the end of the day.


Dear Walt Disney World Guest Communications,


I hope you hear my input and take it into consideration to make sure
the described incident does not happen again.

I always appreciate/applaud friendly cast members/workers in the parks.
I understand what it is like to work with the public. I have worked in fast food,
grocery store, customer phone service, and retail. I know what it is like to deal with
rude customers. I have been brought up with and try to live the ideal of "a gentle
answer turns away wrath." So many conflicts I have observed could
have been so easily prevented if words had been calmly voiced rather
than in an aggressive or belligerent manner.
I know that to work at Disney, cast members/workers have to deal with a constant
flood of people that try to break the rules, are not informed of the rules, and
think the rules don't apply to them. I know this can be very stressing and taxing
on someone 24/7.

On March 11th, 2018, I and my parents came to the TTC to get
on the monorail to go to Epcot. At approximately 9:30am we were going through security
to get into the TTC. I had a small camera case and a plastic bag with some
clothing items inside. I went through the bag check with no incident. While
I was in bag check, I noticed that just beyond there were metal detectors that
people were going through. Being partially distracted with the bag check,
I didn't notice that not everyone had to go through the metal detectors and
various people were selected randomly by a security guard. I expected I was going
to have to go through the metal detectors- part of this thinking was due to the fact
that I had flown recently and was used to doing both the bag check and metal detectors
at airport security.

So there were two lines to go through the metal detectors, and the one that came out on
my side was a lot more full than the other one on my right. I figured it would be more
efficient to get in line for the metal detector on the right. I walked over there, and
right as I was getting into the line, one of the security guard men came over to me,
got close to my face, and said in a raised, very angry voice: "DID I CALL YOU TO COME
OVER INTO MY LINE!?" The body language, tone of voice, and intrusion right into my
physical distance of comfort made me think I had done something much more wrong than
just getting in line for a security check. I was tongue tied trying to figure out what
was the matter. I still thought EVERYONE had to go through the metal detectors, so I
thought that maybe he was mad at me for trying to go across into the other line since it
wasn't on the side I came out from the bag check. I wasn't sure what I was supposed
to do, the security guard then continued in an aggressive, loud, tone reprimanding me-
he said something to the effect of "YOU NEED TO TURN 5 FEET TO THE LEFT AND GO
15 FEET FORWARD!" I was so shaken up and confused that my mind was frozen. I couldn't
make sense of what he was saying. I was mortified to leave without going through the metal
detectors, and I didn't want to get yelled at more or get into worse trouble for evading security.
At this point he had gotten me to move over to the center in between the metal detectors, but I still
didn't understand, and I tried to walk back into the line, and he again aggressively spouted to me
something to the effect of: "BUD, GET OUT OF HERE AND GO OUT THERE!!!" I finally
understood what he meant and quickly exited in between the two metal detectors.

I was very shaken up to have been yelled at in that manner in front of everyone. I felt
as if he acted like I was willingly trying to cause trouble and he was on the verge
of taking more drastic measures with me.

I suppose that due to dealing with "out of line" guests all the time, this security guard snapped and
vented out pent up anger and frustration. All he needed to do was tell me in a normal tone of voice:
"Hey there, you don't need to go through the metal detectors unless you are called to;
go on ahead and exit through here" (and point/motion where to go).

I know security guards need to act strongly much of the time to deal with security
concerns and imply a presence. But with me, I was simply a guest who did not
understand a very simple procedure. I don't think I ever spat out 2 words and
was completely calm and expressed no emotion (besides confusion) during the ordeal.
There is absolutely no problem with giving orders/direction with guests in a firm manner
if necessary, but anything with anger, rudeness, or aggressiveness I believe is completely
uncalled for when the guest is compliant and simply confused needing calm,
clear direction. A further worry of mine would be for this security guard to lash out in such a
manner to a guest who has a mental condition that could possibly terribly upset or tip over the
edge such an individual.
I know what it is like to inwardly become frustrated with customers, but I never
let my emotions spill out to lash out at someone like that.

For a good portion of the time after this incident, I was fairly shaken up
and had trouble enjoying everything fully. I have always been a very
sensitive person, and this really affected me.

I really wish I could express to this security guard how he made me feel and that
the situation could have been resolved much easier if dealt with in a better way. To
him, I was just a nameless, incompetent, tourist whom he had no problem lashing out
pent up anger and frustration to.

I really hope your company stresses to all workers to not let their emotions or egos get
the better of them and lash out in anger at guests- especially those who are trying
not to cause trouble in the first place. To have an encounter
like this on my holiday was very discouraging.

Sincerely,

Matthew ***

__


Following I did get an email from someone in "Guest Experience Services" with an appropriate, yet somewhat canned response saying that they deeply value the telling of my experience at the "Bag check area of the Ticket and Transportation Center (i.e. insert keyword here), apologize that this cast member didn't uphold their high standards, reassure that my feedback would be "forwarded to the appropriate leaders," and that they will make sure to respect guests while keeping their number 1 priority of safety....

At the time, I was fairly satisfied and happy that they even replied, but reading over the response again a year later, I feel maybe just a little miffed of it being not the most personal. Still, I suppose someone had to read it for them to know what kind of response to send back, and since I've had positive experiences with security members since that time, I at least like to hope that my comment maybe had a part in helping there be a noticeable effort for security members being more friendly nowadays.
I guarantee you that your email was sent to the appropriate leader. When I worked at pirates in MK, the leaders in Adventureland told us to literally let anyone in at the fastpass entrance. This is because ANYone who complains to guest services or sends an email explaining that they are upset with the FP+ experience at pirates.. well, the attractions “rating” will go down and the leaders in Adventureland will be held responsible.

So yea. Your complaint does go through. Especially one that is out of the ordinary like that one.
 

jaklgreen

Well-Known Member
I wasn't carrying a wallet. It was simply a credit card holder in my tiny, otherwise empty, bag. I'm honestly shocked anyone is defending this. That's info no security theater should be looking at ever

I keep a small wallet in my pocket and since there is no metal in it, I never take it out of my pocket. I don't carry a bag and go through the no bag line but do go through the metal detectors when asked. I would put your card holder in your pocket if you need to go through the bag line again.
 

correcaminos

Well-Known Member
I don't blame you for feeling that way when it happened. I probably would've felt the same way.
Thank you. Admittedly I have never been bothered beforehand, and truly not bothered since. It really did change how I decided to go through security though. I'm not one to usually get bent out of shape on things, but it really just bothered me that he was picking up cards and looking at them. I get the need for searches though, I just wish Disney did it differently and more like other locations I visit where I don't feel quite as invaded.
I keep a small wallet in my pocket and since there is no metal in it, I never take it out of my pocket. I don't carry a bag and go through the no bag line but do go through the metal detectors when asked. I would put your card holder in your pocket if you need to go through the bag line again.
I don't always have pockets in some of my outfits. Being a female who is 5 foot tall, it means that even if I do have pockets, some of them are even too small for some of those to comfortably be in. I do now have a cell phone case that also has a few slots for credit cards that I use. Nice thing is it can be put on a detachable strap, so it is no longer considered a bag for me. I can put it in my husband's pocket or take the strap off and they view it as just a holder or case, when it comes to going through that checks and metal detectors.
 

jaklgreen

Well-Known Member
Thank you. Admittedly I have never been bothered beforehand, and truly not bothered since. It really did change how I decided to go through security though. I'm not one to usually get bent out of shape on things, but it really just bothered me that he was picking up cards and looking at them. I get the need for searches though, I just wish Disney did it differently and more like other locations I visit where I don't feel quite as invaded.
I don't always have pockets in some of my outfits. Being a female who is 5 foot tall, it means that even if I do have pockets, some of them are even too small for some of those to comfortably be in. I do now have a cell phone case that also has a few slots for credit cards that I use. Nice thing is it can be put on a detachable strap, so it is no longer considered a bag for me. I can put it in my husband's pocket or take the strap off and they view it as just a holder or case, when it comes to going through that checks and metal detectors.

Yeah I hate it that some woman's clothes do not have pockets, it is stupid. I don't carry a purse in my day to day life and so I have a few small wallets that I use. I order woman's cargo shorts online so that I have my much needed pocket space. I love not having to worry about a bag when I am at the parks.
 

Jimmy Thick

Well-Known Member
Guests are far worse than any bag check security guard. For every one bad guy security guard I would fearlessly predict there was probably 100 bad guests.

Remember that and what these people have to deal with daily before you you all complain because someone was kurt with you.


Jimmy Thick- " Every time a toilet flushes a snowflake tries to gets it's way........."
 

SirWillow

Well-Known Member
hehe, I'd love to see how some of you would react to the security at Disney Paris. It would probably scare the freaking crud out of a lot of you.

Armed military patrols of 2-4 walking around in full combat gear, guns at the ready to fire if they need to.
Dog patrols with muzzled, mean, angry barking dogs- most of them German shepherd or similar dogs. Not ones you want to come near.
The security station looks like military police running what you would go through at the airport- bag scanners, metal detectors, wands, frisking in some cases, and not there to be friendly.

After that, you'd probably think Disney security in Orlando is practically handing out daisies to everyone. 😁😆
 

TrojanUSC

Well-Known Member
Their bag check security protocol makes no sense. One of the agents physically took my friend's mouth retainer out of the case and held it in her bare hands. That's gross for both of them. What possible good does that do? Nothing.
 

Raineman

Well-Known Member
Guests are far worse than any bag check security guard. For every one bad guy security guard I would fearlessly predict there was probably 100 bad guests.

Remember that and what these people have to deal with daily before you you all complain because someone was kurt with you.


Jimmy Thick- " Every time a toilet flushes a snowflake tries to gets it's way........."
That still doesn’t give them a right to berate someone over nothing, just because a few other guests were being difficult. Alot of people have jobs working with the public, and they are able to keep being professional despite the few idiots they have to deal with. The security guard in the OP’s post has no excuse to act that way-none.
 

draybook

Well-Known Member
Their bag check security protocol makes no sense. One of the agents physically took my friend's mouth retainer out of the case and held it in her bare hands. That's gross for both of them. What possible good does that do? Nothing.

Exactly. They've actually opened our baby formula cans before. We politely told them that if they spilled it, they were buying a new can.
 

EOD K9

Well-Known Member
Dog patrols with muzzled, mean, angry barking dogs- most of them German shepherd or similar dogs. Not ones you want to come near.
We’re ok with that.
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