Accused of Pizza Flyer Scam at Dolphin.

[Pioneer Hall]

Well, unless there are signs stating otherwise, it's perfectly ok to use these areas that are accessible to the public. Now we don't know exactly what happened, only the OP's side, but unless he was acting suspicious then they had no reason to detain him, much less question him.

As I have said before though, that will really be in the eye of the beholder. From what I believe we heard the OP went in and out of elevators, was walking through halls, and going up and down stairwells all on different floors. As far a security issue in hotels it would seem suspicious to me. As a guest I would want them to look into anything that looks suspicious, not just something that may be a big deal. You never know who might just be looking down hallways for an open door or something. As I have said before, hotels don't want you in guest room areas unless you are staying there. That is why all public things are in main areas that don't require you to go near rooms. There is also a reason resorts charge for their views, because those rooms enjoy that benefit. Of course what the OP was doing is harmless, and again I don't really agree with how the resort handled it. However, if I was a guest I would be happy to know that the resort is taking anything suspicious looking into consideration. When you are paying 200 or so a night to stay somewhere, I want to be guaranteed that someone isn't just creeping through hallways looking for something to steal or trying to get credit card numbers.

 

[unkadug]

I don't think it is completely out of the question for a 16 year old FL resident to have an AP. They cost around 400 dollars, which may sound like a lot at first for a 16 year old. However, some are responsible enough use their 8 dollar an hour jobs and save up for something like that. I know I did back then when I wanted something that expensive.

My point though was that an AP isn't really something that you should use to prove your innocence. It isn't a free pass to go to any area of the resort that you would want. I can understand why flashing an AP wouldn't have mattered one bit to the security guards at the moment. Like I said, had the OP flashed a Swan or Dolphin room key then they would have apologized and sent him on his way.

That was never my pint...but I DO see yours.

As I have said before though, that will really be in the eye of the beholder. From what I believe we heard the OP went in and out of elevators, was walking through halls, and going up and down stairwells all on different floors. As far a security issue in hotels it would seem suspicious to me. As a guest I would want them to look into anything that looks suspicious, not just something that may be a big deal. You never know who might just be looking down hallways for an open door or something. As I have said before, hotels don't want you in guest room areas unless you are staying there. That is why all public things are in main areas that don't require you to go near rooms. There is also a reason resorts charge for their views, because those rooms enjoy that benefit. Of course what the OP was doing is harmless, and again I don't really agree with how the resort handled it. However, if I was a guest I would be happy to know that the resort is taking anything suspicious looking into consideration. When you are paying 200 or so a night to stay somewhere, I want to be guaranteed that someone isn't just creeping through hallways looking for something to steal or trying to get credit card numbers.

There have been times that as a guest of a hotel that I have done this very same thing...just exploring. There isn't anything sinister about that per se. I have also NEVER seen a sign stating that certain areas of a hotel is off-limits, unless there was a doorman at the entrance to keep the riffraff out, ala New Orleans

The fact that security harassed the OP is because they had been alerted to the flyers...not because they thought that he was being suspicious.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

That was never my pint...but I DO see yours.



There have been times that as a guest of a hotel that I have done this very same thing...just exploring. There isn't anything sinister about that per se. I have also NEVER seen a sign stating that certain areas of a hotel is off-limits, unless there was a doorman at the entrance to keep the riffraff out, ala New Orleans

The fact that security harassed the OP is because they had been alerted to the flyers...not because they thought that he was being suspicious.

That's what I have been saying all along. The OP was in the wrong place at the wrong time doing things that made him look suspicious for what was going on at the time. What he was doing was harmless, but what security saw was that this is someone who has the potential to harm their guests.

 

[Disaddict]

What he was doing was harmless, but what security saw was that this is someone who has the potential to harm their guests.

Then all they could do, without actually seeing him do anything, was tell him to leave. Yes, I know they told him they had him on camera. That was total BS on their part. They knew they had no video of any wrongdoing by him from the start but used that as an excuse to further harass him. They have every right in the world to tell him to take a hike but they are not police, they are not investigators, they are security guards. They should have been professional about it and told him to take a hike. Not detain him for even a minute. They had zero proof that he was endangering the physical or financial welfare of anyone on the property.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

Then all they could do, without actually seeing him do anything, was tell him to leave. Yes, I know they told him they had him on camera. That was total BS on their part. They knew they had no video of any wrongdoing by him from the start but used that as an excuse to further harass him. They have every right in the world to tell him to take a hike but they are not police, they are not investigators, they are security guards. They should have been professional about it and told him to take a hike. Not detain him for even a minute. They had zero proof that he was endangering the physical or financial welfare of anyone on the property.

They could have had video of someone who looked like him doing it and could have confused him.

I do enjoy that many people are just choosing which parts of my posts they will respond to and which parts they will ignore. Loud and Clear for the umpteenth time...I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE WAY SECURITY HANDLED THE SITUATION IF WHAT THE OP IS SAYING IS TRUE. However, if security had reason to believe that this person was somewhere they shouldn't have been and doing something they shouldn't have been doing then I am glad they acted upon it.

 

[Disaddict]

Loud and Clear for the umpteenth time...I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE WAY SECURITY HANDLED THE SITUATION IF WHAT THE OP IS SAYING IS TRUE.

Yeah. We got that. Thanks. I wasn't saying that you did agree but thanks for shouting at us.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

Yeah. We got that. Thanks. I wasn't saying that you did agree but thanks for shouting at us.

Sorry...but throughout this thread people have been picking apart my words to make their points and completely ignoring both sides of what I am saying. However, I do believe that the owner of an establishment (in this case the hotel) could hold someone for the police if they believe they are doing something illegal. Not a police officer or anything, but I believe that they could. When I worked at an amusement park security did that all the time while waiting for officers to arrive.

 

[unkadug]

Sorry...but throughout this thread people have been picking apart my words to make their points and completely ignoring both sides of what I am saying. However, I do believe that the owner of an establishment (in this case the hotel) could hold someone for the police if they believe they are doing something illegal. Not a police officer or anything, but I believe that they could. When I worked at an amusement park security did that all the time while waiting for officers to arrive.

Welcome to the forums! :lol:

 

[Disaddict]

Welcome to the forums! :lol:

Baptized by fire huh? :ROFLOL:

 

[hemloc]

Sorry...but throughout this thread people have been picking apart my words to make their points and completely ignoring both sides of what I am saying. However, I do believe that the owner of an establishment (in this case the hotel) could hold someone for the police if they believe they are doing something illegal. Not a police officer or anything, but I believe that they could. When I worked at an amusement park security did that all the time while waiting for officers to arrive.

And that, in itself, is actually illegal. There has to be much, much more than just a simple belief.

He will be the one with the WDWMagic pin. :animwink:

I don't do pins :hurl:!!! I might do some Haunted Mansion mouse ears, though !!

 

[Kobe!!]

Can this be locked? :shrug:

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Seems people don't want to see that we are getting only one side of this story, and worse yet, passing judgement.



Jimmy Thick-Just sweep it under the rug and forget about it...

 

[Jakester]

I decided I'm going to let this go, maybe next time i go to wdw, ill stop by the dolphin and complain, but im going to take what i learned from this.

I could get some people in trouble, but im going to just let it go, and not let it ruin my WDW trips.

 

[The Mom]

I decided I'm going to let this go, maybe next time i go to wdw, ill stop by the dolphin and complain, but im going to take what i learned from this.

I could get some people in trouble, but im going to just let it go, and not let it ruin my WDW trips.

Sounds like a good decision. Sorry you had such an unpleasant experience.