Accused of Pizza Flyer Scam at Dolphin.

[Jakester]

But the OP already stated he was not just passing though. He was looking for balcony or window access that may or may not have existed. He was searching around the upper guest room areas where there is clearly nothing - no outside access, no pass though, no shops, no restaruant - nothing but guest rooms (and evidently a view).

If I am watching a security monitor and I see you enter a hall from an outside door (or lobby), walk down the hall, and then leave, I can assume you were passing through.

When I see you go down an upper level hall, looking around, then take the elevator to the next floor and wander up and down THAT hall, then go to the NEXT floor and do the same, I start to wonder just what you are up to.

-dave

I did find a kind of balcony, its way up there, and somewhere in the stairs, but i found it, and it provided a nice view towards magic kingdom.

 

[Jakester]

After only reading the first 25 posts of this thread....

1. Why aren't you in school if you are "16"?
2. Where are your parents?

wt...:shrug:

1. That's private

2. I went to Disney that day because i wanted to kill sometime before i had to drive to OIA to pick up my mother, who was just getting back from a conference (Btw, she works at the Walt Disney Pavilion at Florida Hospital

 

[Pioneer Hall]

The hotels are concerned about the scam flyers, but they are also concerned about flyers from legitimate local pizzerias. The hotels often have deals in place where certain pizzerias are advertised by the hotel, for a fee, or the hotel receives something when a guest orders. A guest ordering from a legitimate flyer gets the hotel nothing.



How do you determine who is a guest? I explore the hallways of every hotel at which I stay. I am curious to see how the halls are laid out, differences in layout or carpeting, etc. I am even the type to check out the vending machines on several floors as there are plenty of times where what is available differs between floors.


Exercising your rights of refusal are not grounds for probably cause, much less an assumption of guilt. And as was stated, the police officer would have to be very careful about dealing with a juvenile.

Simple...you ask for a room key. Had the OP been able to provide a room key right away they wouldn't have questioned him any further. By not having one it was clear that he wasn't at the resort as a guest.

 

[draybook]

After only reading the first 25 posts of this thread....

1. Why aren't you in school if you are "16"?
2. Where are your parents?

wt...:shrug:

Perhaps he is home-schooled, as are our children. Thus we are free to travel whenever we please. Or perhaps his school was out for whatever reason. Whatever the cause is, it's not our business as to why he is not in school.

Simple...you ask for a room key. Had the OP been able to provide a room key right away they wouldn't have questioned him any further. By not having one it was clear that he wasn't at the resort as a guest.

While I do agree somewhat, he says he showed them his AP. While it doesn't show that he's staying at that resort, it shows that he's more likely than not legit enough to be there sight seeing. I would find it hard to believe that the real pizza scam people buy AP's to show in case they get stopped by authorities.

 

[Jakester]

Perhaps he is home-schooled, as are our children. Thus we are free to travel whenever we please. Or perhaps his school was out for whatever reason. Whatever the cause is, it's not our business as to why he is not in school.

I attend a Public High School *University High School* right here in Orlando.

I just stayed home and decided to go to disney. Im a good student, never miss any class really

 

[Pioneer Hall]

Perhaps he is home-schooled, as are our children. Thus we are free to travel whenever we please. Or perhaps his school was out for whatever reason. Whatever the cause is, it's not our business as to why he is not in school.





While I do agree somewhat, he says he showed them his AP. While it doesn't show that he's staying at that resort, it shows that he's more likely than not legit enough to be there sight seeing. I would find it hard to believe that the real pizza scam people buy AP's to show in case they get stopped by authorities.

First off...we have no idea if this was a pizza scam or a legit place handing out menus when they should have been. Regardless, in most cases for both scenarios they get kids around the OP's age to run around the hotels and hand out the menus for a few bucks. If it's legit, it makes sense since the business owner isn't going to worry about the trivial work like that. If it is a scam, these kids have no idea and it would be hard to get back to the people running it. Now to get to my point...do you think it is possible that anyone of those 16 year old kids who is at Disney working that day by shoving menus under the doors could have an AP. As far as these kids know this is honest work for them and they are just making some money...they aren't the ones running the pizza place or scam (depending on the situation). If the OP could enjoy days in the park and have an AP, why can't any other 16 year old do the same? Anything short of presenting a room key says, you don't really have a reason to be wandering the halls of the resort. By going floor to floor, getting in and out of elevators, and going through stairwells you look very suspicious. If you happen to be there at the same time that a bunch of other people your age are there handing out menus, then you look even more suspicious.

 

[BigTxEars]

Pizza flyers huh? :ROFLOL:

You know it is a safe environment you are staying in when security has the time to hunt down people handing out flyers. Not exactly the kinda of thing you brag about in the holding cell.

"Yeah they got me on floor 5, I went thru 200 flyers before they nabbed me....."



To the OP I would say they handled it wrongly but a lawsuit is not warranted IMO. You seem to be a mature 16 year old and if you accepted their apology then let it go. I would. Lawsuits are for more serious issues, to sure over this would be pathetic IMO.

 

[Phonedave]

There is something called "citizen's arrest" where you can technically detain someone. I believe it would apply more in a case of say someone robbing a bank. If a robber goes into a vault and an employee traps them there for the police, that would not be against the law. It would be a bit different if you saw someone shoplift and then you decided to throw them on the ground and tie their hands up. The rules are a bit complex, and it is usually one of those things you don't want to mess with because you can then find yourself on the other side of the situation (getting sued, criminally in trouble, etc).

Been there - tried to do that (stopped when he said he had a gun)

Yeah, not the brightest of things to do, but sometimes in the heat of the moment you don't think. I slowed him down enough so the police could pick him up on the corner though

-dave

 

[puntagordabob]

I honestly, didnt know that the people who worked at the Dolphin/swan werent Disney Cast members..

Im just letting it go, but it gives me a motive to not want to ever vist swan/dolphin again, but i will eventually.

Dont let it go..... them detaining you is not cool and all... BUT the REAL problem is them lying to you telling you they KNOW you did it and that they had video evidence... this bluff of theirs could have landed you into the hands of the Orange Co Sheriff and also net you a WDW Ban I imagine... this could have spiraled into something very bad for you.

Since you were still on Disney Property, you should write a letter to Guest Communications expressing your displeasure with how you were treated.

Bingo! Write to both the resort (as it is technically NOT WDW owned) and also to Disney Guest Relations.... my wife has wanted to explore those hotels and now I will tend to discourage that.

As for wandering the halls to reach some high public access window...been there done that... of course I am usually toting a camera and sometimes even a tripod for video! BUT to wander the halls Just to do it, not sure there is any reason to do that! Better for you to stay in the public areas (the Grand Canyon Concourse at the Contemporary for example).

Here is a video I shot in "guest room" area within the Contemporary to video..... short clips from those views are within this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAULlvI0q00

 

[unkadug]

And toot toot, watch me on this season of Border Wars (Hint: I don't wear green or blue, or any uniform for that matter! Sorry, I couldn't resist!)!!!

Do you portray an illegal alien per chance?

 

[hemloc]

Do you portray an illegal alien per chance?

Believe me, the thought of dressing up as Stitch and running around downtown El Paso actually crossed my mind, hehe:king:!!!

 

[unkadug]

Believe me, the thought of dressing up as Stitch and running around downtown El Paso actually crossed my mind, hehe:king:!!!

So how will we recognize you on Border Wars?

 

[BeachClubNut]

I didn't want anything other than never having to go thru that..

An apology was enough this time...

Not for nothing I mean this respectfully but first you never should have given your license unless it was a Police Officer (if they persisted you should have called the Police) or Sheriff. Secondly you should have left as they can not legally detain you. As for the people suggesting a Lawyer, this why Lawyers make so much money from all the sue happy people.

 

[hemloc]

So how will we recognize you on Border Wars?

I'm not telling, lol.. Just shamelessly promoting the show !! I am on 2 episodes that I know of, though(Cocaine Sting and Going Underground).

 

[Hakunamatata]

So how will we recognize you on Border Wars?

He will be the one with the WDWMagic pin. :animwink:

 

[draybook]

First off...we have no idea if this was a pizza scam or a legit place handing out menus when they should have been. Regardless, in most cases for both scenarios they get kids around the OP's age to run around the hotels and hand out the menus for a few bucks. If it's legit, it makes sense since the business owner isn't going to worry about the trivial work like that. If it is a scam, these kids have no idea and it would be hard to get back to the people running it. Now to get to my point...do you think it is possible that anyone of those 16 year old kids who is at Disney working that day by shoving menus under the doors could have an AP. As far as these kids know this is honest work for them and they are just making some money...they aren't the ones running the pizza place or scam (depending on the situation). If the OP could enjoy days in the park and have an AP, why can't any other 16 year old do the same? Anything short of presenting a room key says, you don't really have a reason to be wandering the halls of the resort. By going floor to floor, getting in and out of elevators, and going through stairwells you look very suspicious. If you happen to be there at the same time that a bunch of other people your age are there handing out menus, then you look even more suspicious.

Well then I hope the flyer job pays well enough to cover the AP cost.

 

[unkadug]

Well then I hope the flyer job pays well enough to cover the AP cost.

Most 16 yo's AP's would be paid for by their parents anyway. There's not many 16 yo's that can afford to be 16 and pay for an AP.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

Well then I hope the flyer job pays well enough to cover the AP cost.

Most 16 yo's AP's would be paid for by their parents anyway. There's not many 16 yo's that can afford to be 16 and pay for an AP.

I don't think it is completely out of the question for a 16 year old FL resident to have an AP. They cost around 400 dollars, which may sound like a lot at first for a 16 year old. However, some are responsible enough use their 8 dollar an hour jobs and save up for something like that. I know I did back then when I wanted something that expensive.

My point though was that an AP isn't really something that you should use to prove your innocence. It isn't a free pass to go to any area of the resort that you would want. I can understand why flashing an AP wouldn't have mattered one bit to the security guards at the moment. Like I said, had the OP flashed a Swan or Dolphin room key then they would have apologized and sent him on his way.

 

[Jakester]

I don't think it is completely out of the question for a 16 year old FL resident to have an AP. They cost around 400 dollars, which may sound like a lot at first for a 16 year old. However, some are responsible enough use their 8 dollar an hour jobs and save up for something like that. I know I did back then when I wanted something that expensive.

My mother bought my AP (She holds one also), I go more often though

 

[draybook]

I don't think it is completely out of the question for a 16 year old FL resident to have an AP. They cost around 400 dollars, which may sound like a lot at first for a 16 year old. However, some are responsible enough use their 8 dollar an hour jobs and save up for something like that. I know I did back then when I wanted something that expensive.

My point though was that an AP isn't really something that you should use to prove your innocence. It isn't a free pass to go to any area of the resort that you would want. I can understand why flashing an AP wouldn't have mattered one bit to the security guards at the moment. Like I said, had the OP flashed a Swan or Dolphin room key then they would have apologized and sent him on his way.

Well, unless there are signs stating otherwise, it's perfectly ok to use these areas that are accessible to the public. Now we don't know exactly what happened, only the OP's side, but unless he was acting suspicious then they had no reason to detain him, much less question him.