Abandoned Areas

[ABQ]

Then there are of course the far fewer "Hey this is WDW Property, No Trespassing!" signs. One on Center Dr and the one below on Vista Blvd just east of Ft. Wilderness when heading west. I have only found two of these by the way.
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This sign says "Private Property WDW Guest, Cast, and Business Invitees only." I find this one on Vista kinda weird in that you are already on WDW Property in all directions. Then there is this sign. Of course it is right up against the Golden Oaks/Four Points complex at the intersection of Bonnet Creek / Dream Tree Dr. and Vista Blvd.
(Don't even get me started on the selling off of the land for Golden Oak. Though I think it is still controlled by Disney somehow.)

I think this sign exists as it dissuades those who are not guests from taking advantage of "free parking" as Vista Blvd is the way into the MK parking lot without passing through the toll booth. But if you're a guest, you're allowed to park for free already.

 

[s8film40]

This sign says "Private Property WDW Guest, Cast, and Business Invitees only." I find this one on Vista kinda weird in that you are already on WDW Property in all directions. Then there is this sign. Of course it is right up against the Golden Oaks/Four Points complex at the intersection of Bonnet Creek / Dream Tree Dr. and Vista Blvd.

The reason behind these particular signs is that you are in fact not on Disney property when reading this. These are posted at the point where the roadways become Disney owned. In most cases the toll plazas serve the purpose of this sign but there are a few places where these signs are posted. At one point they didn't have these signs and had security booths there instead,

 

[Monorail_Red_77]

The reason behind these particular signs is that you are in fact not on Disney property when reading this. These are posted at the point where the roadways become Disney owned. In most cases the toll plazas serve the purpose of this sign but there are a few places where these signs are posted. At one point they didn't have these signs and had security booths there instead,

That makes sense. I thought though the one by Ft wilderness is newer since GOLDEN OAK DEVELOPMENT, LLC has only been around since 2009. Which I found out is still managed by WALT DISNEY IMAGINEERING RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT, INC. as of 04/2015. Though technically it is not part of the official WDW property. Two parts of the same puzzle I guess.

 

[s8film40]

Here's a map showing the roads. red, yellow, orange and green roads are not Disney property. In most cases gray roads within WDW are owned by Disney.

 

[wdwjmp239]

I don't see what's wrong with the STOL port.

I wouldn't be caught driving down that road, especially if there are no signs that point guests that way. Wouldn't that be considered as an unauthorized entry even though the roadway is open?

 

[Never2Old4Disney]

I take the roads that say "authorized service vehicles" all the time. I know there are tons of cars that do it. Some of the roads just turn into the private roads. What are you supposed to do? Pull off into the ditch? Also, Adam is an adult that makes his own decisions. He doesn't need people crying on the internet about him going places he shouldn't. Geez. If you don't like people "trespassing" then don't watch the videos.

 

[MickeyMomV]

That makes sense. I thought though the one by Ft wilderness is newer since GOLDEN OAK DEVELOPMENT, LLC has only been around since 2009. Which I found out is still managed by WALT DISNEY IMAGINEERING RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT, INC. as of 04/2015. Though technically it is not part of the official WDW property. Two parts of the same puzzle I guess.

From the Q&A on the Golden Oak web site,

Q7. What role does Disney have in building the homes and the community?
A7. Walt Disney Imagineering created the master plan for the community. Golden Oak Development is the master developer, and Golden Oak Realty manages the sale of the homes and homesites—both of which are Disney companies. The homes are built by unaffiliated custom homebuilders who contract directly with homebuyers

Even though the land technically belongs to the homeowner, the development is still under control of Disney. Now if I only had an extra 2-3 million laying around......

 

[s8film40]

I wouldn't be caught driving down that road, especially if there are no signs that point guests that way. Wouldn't that be considered as an unauthorized entry even though the roadway is open?

Lost guests end up going through there all the time. There are also many times when it is used as parking and guests are actually directed with signs into there. I think with a lack of signs saying it's not authorized Disney has no reasonable expectation that guests aren't driving in there. Really they just don't care, their not going to put signs up since it is used for guests fairly regularly and signs would just then be confusing. It's just an empty parking lot for the most part. I would say driving behind MK to either go around or to go out the north exit is a far greater offense and gusts do this ALL THE TIME.

 

[ABQ]

Lost guests end up going through there all the time. There are also many times when it is used as parking and guests are actually directed with signs into there. I think with a lack of signs saying it's not authorized Disney has no reasonable expectation that guests aren't driving in there. Really they just don't care, their not going to put signs up since it is used for guests fairly regularly and signs would just then be confusing. It's just an empty parking lot for the most part. I would say driving behind MK to either go around or to go out the north exit is a far greater offense and gusts do this ALL THE TIME.

Especially since many GPS systems want to send you that way. I know my Garmin wants me to go that was around when going from the WL to anywhere south of the MK, for some reason it never wants to go straight past the Poly and out.

 

[Horizons '83]

Does anyone actually have any cool abandoned pictures to share?

 

[Phonedave]

I take the roads that say "authorized service vehicles" all the time. I know there are tons of cars that do it. Some of the roads just turn into the private roads. What are you supposed to do? Pull off into the ditch? Also, Adam is an adult that makes his own decisions. He doesn't need people crying on the internet about him going places he shouldn't. Geez. If you don't like people "trespassing" then don't watch the videos.

Lost guests end up going through there all the time. There are also many times when it is used as parking and guests are actually directed with signs into there. I think with a lack of signs saying it's not authorized Disney has no reasonable expectation that guests aren't driving in there. Really they just don't care, their not going to put signs up since it is used for guests fairly regularly and signs would just then be confusing. It's just an empty parking lot for the most part. I would say driving behind MK to either go around or to go out the north exit is a far greater offense and gusts do this ALL THE TIME.

Especially since many GPS systems want to send you that way. I know my Garmin wants me to go that was around when going from the WL to anywhere south of the MK, for some reason it never wants to go straight past the Poly and out.

I liken it to the area behind malls and stores where the loading docks are. Technically I am allowed to drive around the back of Home Depot, where they store some of the larger items outside. Driving along back there is not going to get anyone in trouble. But, stop your car, get out, poke around, take some pictures, look real close at the merchandise that is there, and yeah, someone is likely to say something.

Turn into the road leading to the STOL port, stop for a minute and say to yourself "how did I get here" and turn around and leave, and nobody is going to say boo. Stop your car, get out, take out your camera and take some really poor shaky video and somebody may just come by and ask what you are doing.

I really have no skin in this game. Whatever Adam wants to go, he can go right ahead, and if it gets him banned again, well that's his own fault. If he does not get caught, I really don't care either. Just pointing out how things are rarely black and white - and trespassing can be one of those things.

-dave

 

[Goofyernmost]

Since they lifted the ban, he cannot get arrested either. If he had tried to enter WDW under the ban he could have been arrested for trespass. The only thing that they can do now is issue a new ban (no trespass) and wait to see if he goes anyway. It's doubtful he will though as he would prefer to just record his sad face and explain how unfairly he was treated and how awful big bad Disney is for banning him.

 

[Phonedave]

Since they lifted the ban, he cannot get arrested either. If he had tried to enter WDW under the ban he could have been arrested for trespass. The only thing that they can do now is issue a new ban (no trespass) and wait to see if he goes anyway. It's doubtful he will though as he would prefer to just record his sad face and explain how unfairly he was treated and how awful big bad Disney is for banning him.

Technically he could be arrested for trespassing in the clearly marked non-public space. If, for example, he were to go backstage and go into offices, he could be arrested for trespassing.

If he were to go into a non-public space, but not clearly marked (such as the STOL port) that is a grey area

Where he cannot be arrested (at this time) is on Disney property that is open to the public.

A "normal" person is free to go all around the public areas of Disney property as they see fit. If you are given an official trespass warning, it amounts to being told that ALL of Disney property is off limits. and if you set foot on any of it, you will be arrested.

If a "normal" person were to talk back stage, they may get a warning, or may be escorted off property for the day. They can always make the argument that they didn't know any better. However, if Disney has a piece of paper, signed by you, that says you were told not to come on property at all, and that you understand what this means, then it is a lot easier to prosecute.

 

[s8film40]

If he were to go into a non-public space, but not clearly marked (such as the STOL port) that is a grey area

We are also assuming that he did not have direct permission to be there, this could be incorrect. Given his past I think it's highly likely he asked if this was ok or did this at a time when it was directly open to the public. STOL port really isn't that special and certainly not worth risking getting banned again and it would be so very easy to get access to this with Disney's explicit permission.

 

[Csmith041177]

Awesome post! I have to say, the abandoned areas really intrigue me. Because of how most of the folks on this board love Disney, and everything Disney-related, I know we are all shocked to see old Disney areas that are abandoned and many in a state of disrepair. Especially the river country pics. Good grief that is spooky!

 

[Daniel Johnson]

Be nice to know what abbandoned place they sent all the liquid cheese....I would go to there...

 

[Monorail_Red_77]

Be nice to know what abbandoned place they sent all the liquid cheese....I would go to there...

I heard they shipped it all to Chuck E Cheese. They ran low and needed more cheese to power their animatronics.

 

[P_Radden]

Be nice to know what abbandoned place they sent all the liquid cheese....I would go to there...

I miss it too, but the closest thing we've found to the Disney nacho cheese is this:

Dump it into a sauce pan and warm it up on low heat....... Sooooo goooodddd

sry back on topic now

 

[Monorail_Red_77]

From the Q&A on the Golden Oak web site,

Q7. What role does Disney have in building the homes and the community?
A7. Walt Disney Imagineering created the master plan for the community. Golden Oak Development is the master developer, and Golden Oak Realty manages the sale of the homes and homesites—both of which are Disney companies. The homes are built by unaffiliated custom homebuilders who contract directly with homebuyers

Even though the land technically belongs to the homeowner, the development is still under control of Disney. Now if I only had an extra 2-3 million laying around......

That's true. I was just posting the legal filings with the State on sunbiz.org. If I want to see who really owns what. I look there. I also combined that info in this case with Orange County Prop Appraiser site to get the legal owners of the land in question.

For example: I went to Orange County site. Found owner name. Then put that into a search on Sunbiz site and it shows who owns a certain company. Or in this case who manages it as it is an LLC.

Another example. There is at least one building in Celebration, FL that Disney actually owns the building and land. Others there are just leased by them.

I use sunbiz a lot when I get new clients that are business owners. This way I can do some simple background checks before I show up at someone's house. All businesses have to register with the state to conduct business in FL. Even people that are self employed and have registered their DBA business name as a fictitious name.

It also helped me out once when a client wrote a bad check and then went out of business the next day.

 

[s8film40]

That's true. I was just posting the legal filings with the State on sunbiz.org. If I want to see who really owns what. I look there. I also combined that info in this case with Orange County Prop Appraiser site to get the legal owners of the land in question.

For example: I went to Orange County site. Found owner name. Then put that into a search on Sunbiz site and it shows who owns a certain company. Or in this case who manages it as it is an LLC.

Another example. There is at least one building in Celebration, FL that Disney actually owns the building and land. Others there are just leased by them.

I use sunbiz a lot when I get new clients that are business owners. This way I can do some simple background checks before I show up at someone's house. All businesses have to register with the state to conduct business in FL. Even people that are self employed and have registered their DBA business name as a fictitious name.

It also helped me out once when a client wrote a bad check and then went out of business the next day.

If you look at all the various projects together Disney has basically been continuously selling of land since the early 90's.

Same process each time, they act as the developer sell off the individual parcels and then eventually sell off the project as a whole to various other companies.

It's funny how you still hear the 47 square miles tossed around, probably more like 10-20 at this point.