A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

[Disney Analyst]

In the event that you're not joking re: Meryl Streep's remarks, and for those who aren't familiar:

Walt Disney Family Museum: http://www.waltdisney.org/blog/defense-walt-disney
Floyd Norman's selected remarks included in this article: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-of-sexism-Disney-family-responds.html?pg=all
Cartoon Brew: http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/fact-checking-meryl-streeps-disney-bashing-speech-94380.html

Thank you for posting these, very insightful.

 

[SorcererMC]

Thank you for posting these, very insightful.

It is sometimes difficult to separate fact from fiction in the modern age - whether that is about Walt Disney, or even Michael Eisner or Bob Iger. I support diversity of opinion so long as it can be supported by facts, as well as allowing for different interpretations of the available evidence.

 

[BrianLo]

@WDW1974 threads are infamous for drifting all over the place.

Still, it would be interesting to count how many of the last 100 posts had anything to do with the potential Tower of Terror retheme.

I'm guessing less than one in four.

It doesn't help that this is probably the 7th "ToT is getting re-themed" thread.

I'm looking forward to the December edition of this rumour.

 

[SorcererMC]

It doesn't help that this is probably the 7th "ToT is getting re-themed" thread.

I'm looking forward to the December edition of this rumour.

Yes, I'm seeing that this and related issues go back 2-3-4 years. Wow.

 

[tribbleorlfl]

There is room for both, and as I said in a different post, I think Disney needs a true creative person at the helm...not someone who is only looking out for the corporate bank account (and ultimately his own bonus). Now sure, even a true creative person has to be mindful of making money for the company he works for, but that's what Walt did so well. He took risks creatively and nothing has ever paralleled his legacy since.

All Iger and co. has cared about is swelling the stock price. Their "legacy" will amount to little more than major acquisitions of outside companies instead of putting money into the creative talents of the companies own people.

You said you were against the live action remakes "on principle," now you're agreeing with me there's room for both remakes and iriginal films. Please help me understand your apparently contradictory opinion.

 

[TeddyinMO]

Look, I'll sum it up like this...
Strip away all Disney's major acquisitions. No MCU, No Star Wars, No Pixar...what do they have left?
Reboots, Sequels, and the animation department. Disney's feature film department relies too heavily on the MCU and SW to fill in the gaps. Outside of say, the first Pirates of the Caribbean, can you guess what has been the last truly successful original Disney (non-animated, non-sequeled, non-rebooted) feature film?

Answer: The Sixth Sense.

Until they can figure out how to successfully make originals again, we're going to be largely on sequel-remake-outside acquisition overload.

Considering every movie currently in the box office top 13 is either a Marvel/DC movie, sequel/remake or animated, I think your criticism really should be directed at all of Hollywood and the movie going public, not Disney.

Central Intelligence (14), Sully (16) and Bad Moms (17) are the only 3 movies that don't fall into one of those categories currently in the Top 20.

 

[Disney Analyst]

It is sometimes difficult to separate fact from fiction in the modern age - whether that is about Walt Disney, or even Michael Eisner or Bob Iger. I support diversity of opinion so long as it can be supported by facts, as well as allowing for different interpretations of the available evidence.

And to post the facts kindly, we can all be wrong at times, and I appreciate being given true facts in a kind manner.

 

[Earl Sweatpants]

You said you were against the live action remakes "on principle," now you're agreeing with me there's room for both remakes and iriginal films. Please help me understand your apparently contradictory opinion.

I'm against the ONSLAUGHT of remakes lined up. Seemingly over 15 movies are set to be remade in the coming years. But I can see where you got mixed signals.

 

[Earl Sweatpants]

Considering every movie currently in the box office top 13 is either a Marvel/DC movie, sequel/remake or animated, I think your criticism really should be directed at all of Hollywood and the movie going public, not Disney.

Central Intelligence (14), Sully (16) and Bad Moms (17) are l the only 3 movies that don't fall into one of those categories currently in the Top 20.

I know this isn't a Disney-centric problem. Its tough as a filmmaker myself to look at what the studios are producing and wondering how to get them interested in an original concept anymore.

 

[Bairstow]

Fantastic four was a turd from the start.. no surprise there
Still not Disney.
In the other hand, there has been gems that were "risky" yet did amazing.
See Deadpool and GOTG.
Its not about risks, its about DOING IT RIGHT.
If you do a turd, then polish said turd for the sake of having a glorified shinny turd.. You shouldn't expect millions.
Also, did they even promote John Carter correctly? I didnt see a single ad for that movie in my country. No surprise it flopped here.. not that many knew about the book over here o_o

The middle article was about Tomorrowland, not the fantastic four. You should have tried clicking on it, not just hovering your mouse.

 

[Quinnmac000]

I know this isn't a Disney-centric problem. Its tough as a filmmaker myself to look at what the studios are producing and wondering how to get them interested in an original concept anymore.

Difference is every major studio besides Disney has kept their arthouse and original film departments. Fox with Fox Spotlight, Universal with Focus and all their other indie partners,Lionsgate with Roadside Attractions. All these studios are able to build and create whatever they want while the main studio focus on tentpoles and if those smaller films become blockbusters than the main studio produces. Disney had that but they decided it wasn't worth it anymore and spun it off.

 

[Earl Sweatpants]

Difference is every major studio besides Disney has kept their arthouse and original film departments. Fox with Fox Spotlight, Universal with Focus and all their other indie partners,Lionsgate with Roadside Attractions. All these studios are able to build and create whatever they want while the main studio focus on tentpoles and if those smaller films become blockbusters than the main studio produces. Disney had that but they decided it wasn't worth it anymore and spun it off.

That's true. I personally like the Blumhouse approach.

 

[Brer Oswald]

That's not the current thinking in academia.
No one's ethics get a pass just because they lived before the modern era.

That's a very naive way of looking at things. They shouldn't get a full on pass, but they definitely should not be judged for it either. That's just extremely unfair.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I just want them to make more theme park ride movies. Surely Pirates isn't the only lucrative film franchise you can get out of the Park Originals.

Splash Mountain animated film anybody?

 

[Earl Sweatpants]

Splash Mountain animated film anybody?

I'm holding out hope for a well-made Big Thunder Mountain period western.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I personally think she was right on the money... Unfortunately Walt was most certainly not perfect, and Meryl most certainly shared true facts about him. I do believe however, that if Walt had lived longer, he would have shown that he had grown with the times... I think he was showing that a bit during Disneyland times.

A lot of the things she said were factually wrong. Walt had a lot of flaws, and yet she failed to mention any of them.

 

[Brer Oswald]

In the event that you're not joking re: Meryl Streep's remarks, and for those who aren't familiar:

Walt Disney Family Museum: http://www.waltdisney.org/blog/defense-walt-disney
Floyd Norman's selected remarks included in this article: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-of-sexism-Disney-family-responds.html?pg=all
Cartoon Brew: http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/fact-checking-meryl-streeps-disney-bashing-speech-94380.html

Thank you! I thought most of the people in this thread were knowledgeable enough that they already knew the information you linked. Guess they will now.

 

[Bairstow]

I'm holding out hope for a well-made Big Thunder Mountain period western.

Walt Disney's Enchanted Tiki Room Book One: The Rise of Josephine

 

[SorcererMC]

Thank you! I thought most of the people in this thread were knowledgeable enough that they already knew the information you linked. Guess they will now.

It's a subject that comes up on a semi-regular basis, so I felt obliged I guess. Similarly, I keep seeing so-called 'news'-type articles that distort company history or economic history....and then it gets repeated and accepted as fact. It's been a pet peeve of mine for the past few days.

Also, I've learned so much about TWDC, WDW, etc. from reading these boards over the years. It's a great resource and so many knowledgeable posters b/c they work in related fields or track the issues as a hobby. If you don't know the answer to something, there is usually someone here who does or who can tell you where to look.

ETA: and then there are the trolls....

 

[Phil12]

*googles Meryl Streep Disney comments*
/sigh. I'm sorry, but why Meryl? What were you hoping to accomplish with those comments?

I guess she likes to tell the truth. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/walt-disneys-grandniece-agrees-meryl-670039