A Spirited Perfect Ten

[lazyboy97o]

You do realize that Star Wars was one of the most popular movies (had no ties to Disney) of the world AND Marvel comics was not established by Disney. A lot of people like the movies for the sake of the movies.

You do realize that Disney doesn't even own half of the Marvel Universe (i.e. Spiderman)

I would say that it's the vocal minority that profess their brand advocacy as a catalyst for their sudden interest in Marvel. Lifestylers as an example. Average Disney fans can be movie fans as well. The main reason for the sudden popularity of the MCU after 2009 wasn't necessarily because of Disney's acquisition, but because of the wide success of The Avengers. I would argue it wasn't until after that film that average Disney fans discovered that it was Disney property. And at that point, it depends on the fan whether they simply like the MCU because of Disney or because they are simply great films. Also, X-Men and Spider-Man are two popular film franchises that have had large followings since the early 2000s without being associated to Disney

Pixar and especially Star Wars was already popular before the Disney name became synonymous with them, so any influx of popularity shouldn't be considered as big a skewed trend shift.

The discussion is not about popularity in the general population, but specifically within the Disney fan community.

Who produced X-Men: Days of Future Past again? Disney? or Fox? I think she was talking about the movies not characters. So no Disney does not own the entire Marvel Universe. Educate yourself.

Disney still owns the characters. The film rights were not completely sold off so that Fox or Sony could hold onto the characters forever or sell them.

I forgot that Disney produced the Amazing Spiderman 1&2! Good catch.

I'm Sony deep in controversy...

Producing is not owning. Just ask Walt Disney.

 

[Hakunamatata]

But those properties were persued out of interest to DEVELOP them into something uniquely Disney, not to address a perceived "Boys Problem".

Pooh actually is the story of a boy and his bear.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Who produced X-Men: Days of Future Past again? Disney? or Fox? I think she was talking about the movies not comics. So no Disney does not own the entire Marvel Universe.

Actually Disney owns the entire Marvel Universe. They don't own the entire Marvel Cinimatic Universe. They are two separate things.

 

[TP2000]

I never really thought of it, but you know your fashion (am already afraid of meeting you wearing a pair of jorts!) and Jobs absolutely pioneered that cool, laid back look. Unfortunately, Iger is no Jobs at all.

Don't worry, I won't judge your jorts. Too much.

I just got home from un unplanned dinner and shopping outing at South Coast Plaza. You may find this hard to believe, but I went ahead and shopped at the South Coast Plaza Nordstrom wearing shorts and a pair of Nikes. Me in shorts, at... South. Coast. Plaza. It's true!

Although, it was a slow, rainy Monday in January and the usual South Coast Plaza see-and-be-seen crowd wasn't there. Thank God.

And now I'm just counting down to this apparently huge media event on Wednesday night at Disneyland where they will announce all the 60th Anniversary stuff coming this summer. Did you see the latest Micechat editor's rumors on closing Innoventions and making a big deal out of Walt Disney? Very interesting, and less than 48 hours now until the announcement.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Actually Disney owns the entire Marvel Universe. They don't own the entire Marvel Cinimatic Universe. They are two separate things.

The films produced by Fox and Sony are not considered part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

 

[Hakunamatata]

I think you have it reversed.

Sony owns Spidy movies. Fox owns xmen. Those licenses are part of the Cinimatic universe.

 

[Gabe1]

Spirit is not the author of the article. I can state that as fact.

I assure you, there were people whose Sunday was ruined by that one.

Ha! No need to assure me. Just sharing what was being tweeted last evening.

 

[Hakunamatata]

The films produced by Fox and Sony are not considered part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Ok. You are right. Marvel dictates what's in its Cinimatic universe.

 

[spacemt354]

Sony owns Spidy movies. Fox owns xmen. Those licenses are part of the Cinimatic universe.

No they aren't. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is the timeline of films starting in 2008 with Iron Man.

Spidey and Fox are not in the MCU. They are in different contexts and don't follow the MCU storyline.

 

[Hakunamatata]

No they aren't. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is the timeline of films starting in 2008 with Iron Man.

Spidey and Fox are not in the MCU. They are in different contexts and don't follow the MCU storyline.

Well at least I've got my Pooh strait.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Sony owns Spidy movies. Fox owns xmen. Those licenses are part of the Cinimatic universe.

Licensing deals are not ownership. If Fox does not keep making movies they lose the rights. Sony was smart and traded their merchandise rights in exchange for being able to take their time on the films.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Actually Disney owns the entire Marvel Universe. They don't own the entire Marvel Cinimatic Universe. They are two separate things.

True. Yet prior to that purchase, movie and theme park rights for some of the properties were licensed to other companies.

 

[lazyboy97o]

True. Yet prior to that purchase, movie and theme park rights for some of the properties were licensed to other companies.

No, not true. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is composed characters who were not licensed out and/or whose licensing deals expired.

 

[Hakunamatata]

The point that I was trying to make in the beginning is that Disney does not have the rights to all their characters, particularly Spiderman. If they did, Spiderman would become a part of the Avengers team.

There are things in motion to try to make that happen.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The point that I was trying to make in the beginning is that Disney does not have the rights to all their characters, particularly Spiderman. If they did, Spiderman would become a part of the Avengers team in the MCU.

Which is evidence for the whole point of Disney fans who suddenly became Marvel fans at the end of 2009. They're not interested in any of the Sony produced Spider-Man films, despite Spider-Man being a popular and commercial success that helped to resurrect Marvel and start them on the path towards the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Which is evidence for the whole point of Disney fans who suddenly became Marvel fans at the end of 2009. They're not interested in any of the Sony produced Spider-Man films, despite Spider-Man being a popular and commercial success that helped to resurrect Marvel and start them on the path towards the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Actually I think the bigger problem for Spidy was such a quick reboot without much change in story or special fx. You look at Batman and see the success they had rebooting that. There was significant advances in effects and the story was much better. I think Spidy is done as a stand alone character for a while and Sony knows it.

 

[spacemt354]

Which is evidence for the whole point of Disney fans who suddenly became Marvel fans at the end of 2009. They're not interested in any of the Sony produced Spider-Man films, despite Spider-Man being a popular and commercial success that helped to resurrect Marvel and start them on the path towards the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

No, I think that has more to do with the fact that Spider-Man is one of if not the most popular characters in Marvel comics. The fact that there is a wildly popular film Universe which Spider-Man is excluded from is where the interest in bringing Spider-Man to the MCU derives from. Fans want the character to be more involved with other popular characters.

X-Men doesn't suffer from this as much because they can have ensemble films whereas Spider-Man is only solo films.

 

[Darth Sidious]

@TP2000 nice avatar, best show on television IMO. I can't wait for the final half season.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Actually I think the bigger problem for Spidy was such a quick reboot without much change in story or special fx. You look at Batman and see the success they had rebooting that. There was significant advances in effects and the story was much better. I think Spidy is done as a stand alone character for a while and Sony knows it.

No, I think that has more to do with the fact that Spider-Man is one of if not the most popular in Marvel comics. The fact that there is a wildly popular film Universe which Spider-Man is excluded from is where the interest in bringing Spider-Man to the MCU derives from. Fans want the character to be more involved with other popular characters.

X-Men doesn't suffer from this as much because they can have ensemble films whereas Spider-Man is only solo films.

The Amazing Spider-Man is panned widely enough for lack of interest on story to be more than warranted. Spider-Man, the 2002 film, was a huge hit but is not a "Disney" film. Parts of the X-Men film series falls into the same category.

 

[Hakunamatata]

The Amazing Spider-Man is panned widely enough for lack of interest on story to be more than warranted. Spider-Man, the 2002 film, was a huge hit but is not a "Disney" film. Parts of the X-Men film series falls into the same category.

Xmen really didn't get good until Origins started.