A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

Pixieish

Pixieish

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geekza said:
You know, because everyone keeps a complete tally of everything we've ever typed online. The apology isn't important. It's the actions that are taken afterwards that matter. Changing one's behavior is, presumably, what the intended outcome is of being told that something you've done has hurt someone. I've seen lots of apologies, but what matters are the steps that are taken going forward.

I said and did horribly hurtful things in my younger days that I am justifiably ashamed of. I don't say or do those things any longer because I became aware of their potential damage or hurtfulness and changed my thinking and behavior accordingly. I am glad that I've been allowed the opportunity to grow and, I think, become a better person. The past is fixed. The present and future are the only things over which we have some measure of power.

We must, as a society, afford others the same chance to grow as we would hope to be afforded to ourselves, especially when the circumstances in question are not a heinous crime. If we don't, we're doomed as a species.
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AMEN.
 
asianway

asianway

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geekza said:
You know, because everyone keeps a complete tally of everything we've ever typed online. The apology isn't important. It's the actions that are taken afterwards that matter. Changing one's behavior is, presumably, what the intended outcome is of being told that something you've done has hurt someone. I've seen lots of apologies, but what matters are the steps that are taken going forward.

I said and did horribly hurtful things in my younger days that I am justifiably ashamed of. I don't say or do those things any longer because I became aware of their potential damage or hurtfulness and changed my thinking and behavior accordingly. I am glad that I've been allowed the opportunity to grow and, I think, become a better person. The past is fixed. The present and future are the only things over which we have some measure of power.

We must, as a society, afford others the same chance to grow as we would hope to be afforded to ourselves, especially when the circumstances in question are not a heinous crime. If we don't, we're doomed as a species.
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So basically, he apologized to a specific group that was upset with a subset of the tweets to shut them up, rather than looking at the totality of the behavior.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
 
geekza

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Just realized I said fight twice when I meant to say flying and fight choreography. But, yeah, it was still unimpressive. They can afford better. Looks like they spent all their money on the screen effects instead of on talented artistic staff. A degree in Theatre makes me notice those kinds of things. Conversely, I also appreciate good artistic work that happens in situations where you don't expect it to be emphasized. Some great Theatre folks work in theme park entertainment, so there really is no excuse for mediocrity, especially when you have a budget and access to a young, hungry talent pool.
 
Pixieish

Pixieish

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Stevie Amsterdam said:
Has this been posted in the Spirit thread? If so, sorry! Just wanted to share and hear your thoughts?

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I think my kids would like it. I'm not overly impressed though, and my husband would shred their "fighting". (I should mention that he was really into karate for a big part of his life.)
 
AEfx

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Rodan75 said:
You have lost all rational basis for your argument. Saying Milo compares in any way to James Gunn is beyond the pale. Milo is constantly doing and saying things that are racist, offensive and insane. He rarely if ever apologizes.
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And you proved my entire point. Honestly, you couldn't have done so more clearly.

Just because you don't like him and find him offensive, it was okay for his book deal to be taken away and for him to lose his job over someone finding an off-hand joke he made years ago during a podcast. One, single joke, not 1,000's as with Gunn. (And by extension, you have completely dismissed me and my points because I used an example you didn't like.)

The far-left celebrated it - it was some teenage girl who "brought him down" - she sat and went through 100's of podcasts he had been on over the years, trying to find a "smoking gun" and suddenly "oh he's a pedo".

Sorry, but screeching "false equivalence!" about comparisons you don't like because you don't like someone isn't valid, whatsoever. I don't particularly like some of what Milo said and I think he is far too dramatic (though he isn't nearly as bat crap crazy as you are pretending, he actually has lots of facts and statistics as well, people just freak out when they don't say what they want them to).

Not to mention, he is one of many examples - I simply gave the one that was most similar to what happened with Gunn as it specifically had to do with a pedophile joke from years ago getting someone fired. Just because you think he should have been silenced anyway does not change that fact. You said "Roseanne" wasn't enough of a comparison, so I gave you one that is exactly the same - right down to the content of the joke and the timeline, and the fact that someone from a far-leaning political side searched far and wide for the damning evidence to take them out because they didn't like them to begin with.

Rodan75 said:
But I strongly resist your narrative that this is all some far left conspiracy and not just a reckoning that is a generation overdue, but may currently be too aggressive. It isn't party specific or liberal vs conservative.
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Apparently you don't understand my "narrative" at all. Please stop projecting all this crap from the supposed "white nationalists" you are so intimate with on me. You have repeatedly done that in replying to me.

I never said it was a "conspiracy" theory. There would be some need for subterfuge for that to be true. I honestly don't think most people who participate in the outrage culture know what they are actually doing, I don't think it is conscious in many - they just live in a haze where they don't see the consequences of their actions.

They don't understand while it "feels good!" to have zero tolerance against someone you don't like to begin with, that some day that is going to come and bite them on their behind when the same standards are applied elsewhere. Welcome to Gunn.
 
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Pixieish

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AEfx said:
And you proved my entire point. Honestly, you couldn't have done so more clearly.

Just because you don't like him and find him offensive, it was okay for his book deal to be taken away and for him to lose his job over someone finding an off-hand joke he made years ago during a podcast. One, single joke, not 1,000's as with Gunn.

The far-left celebrated it - it was some teenage girl who "brought him down" - she sat and went through 100's of podcasts he had been on over the years, trying to find a "smoking gun" and suddenly "oh he's a pedo".

Sorry, but screeching "false equivalence!" about comparisons you don't like because you don't like someone isn't valid, whatsoever. I don't particularly like some of what Milo said and I think he is far too dramatic (though he isn't nearly as bat crap crazy as you are pretending, he actually has lots of facts and statistics as well, people just freak out when they don't say what they want them to).

Not to mention, he is one of many examples - I simply gave the one that was most similar to what happened with Gunn as it specifically had to do with a pedophile joke from years ago getting someone fired. Just because you think he should have been silenced anyway does not change that fact. You said "Roseanne" wasn't enough of a comparison, so I gave you one that is exactly the same - right down to the content of the joke and the timeline, and the fact that someone from a far-leaning political side searched far and wide for the damning evidence to take them out because they didn't like them to begin with.



Apparently you don't understand my "narrative" at all. Please stop projecting all this crap from the supposed "white nationalists" you are so intimate with on me. You have repeatedly done that in replying to me.

I never said it was a "conspiracy" theory. There would be some need for subterfuge for that to be true. I honestly don't think most people who participate in the outrage culture know what they are actually doing, I don't think it is conscious in many - they just live in a haze where they don't see the consequences of their actions.

They don't understand while it "feels good!" to have zero tolerance against someone you don't like to begin with, that some day that is going to come and bite them on their behind when the same standards are applied elsewhere. Welcome to Gunn.
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I also think lots of people get blinded by the obvious instead of trying to see deeper into things. For example, the content of Gunn's tweets - there are a lot of people who don't care about the context at all because they're too busy being offended by the content, even though the content has a totally different meaning when it's taken in the context in which they were written.
 
AEfx

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the.dreamfinder said:
He also led the harassment campaign against the female Ghostbuster reboot and called Leslie Jones an ape.
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Gosh, you guys - you just come right out and say it, don't you? LOL.

"It's okay to be hypocritical, because he said other things I found offensive, too. What was actually used to bring him down doesn't matter, because we didn't like him to begin with."
 
Dunston

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Princess Leia said:
Posted this in the appropriate thread, but thought I would post it here too: Black Widow has a director now, Cate Shortland, so it’s one step closer to becoming a reality. I’m not expecting to hear too much more for the time being though (supporting cast, date, etc)
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/black-widow-director-cate-shortland-1202872088/
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I can't be the only one who thinks Widow is the most boring character to give her own movie? I'd love to see a female-led movie, but Scarjo as Widow is so flat and unremarkable.
 
AEfx

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Loopzoop444 said:
I can't be the only one who thinks Widow is the most boring character to give her own movie? I'd love to see a female-led movie, but Scarjo as Widow is so flat and unremarkable.
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I'm pretty excited about it, to be honest.

I think part of the problem with BW so far is that she hasn't had the material in a film most appropriate to her character. She is a non-superpowered super-hero put into big super-powered stories. I think she just hasn't been able to shine the best story for her yet - and hopefully her solo will play up to this and be some sort of Bond-esque adventure versus alien attack global crisis thing. That's why it is great that the Marvel films cover so many different "genres". I love a good spy thriller.
 
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Mike S

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AEfx said:
I'm pretty excited about it, to be honest.

I think part of the problem with BW so far is that she hasn't had the material in a film most appropriate to her character. She is a non-superpowered super-hero put into big super-powered stories. I think she just hasn't been able to shine the best story for her yet - and hopefully her solo will play up to this and be some sort of Bond-esque adventure versus alien attack global crisis thing. That's why it is great that the Marvel films cover so many different "genres". I love a good spy thriller.
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I’m expecting a pretty great spy flick. Winter Soldier already went in that direction a bit.
 
Pixieish

Pixieish

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I've been kind of impressed with how Johanssen has handled playing Black Widow. There have been very few instances where I could tell that there were wires/a double/CGI/what have you, and that kind of acting requires a lot of training to be ready for. Is Black Widow my favorite Marvel character? No, not really. But I'm interested to see the story nonetheless.
 

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