A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[Rodan75]

Right. My point was, though - they flip-flopped after they found out who was the one who initiated the stink. If it had been some far-left group, you wouldn't see nearly as many people being upset about him being fired.

That is a lot a big what-ifs. What far-left group has gotten someone fired for just words (heck, or actions), that are years old and have already publically apologized, also years ago? Most of the folks that have been ousted in these #MeToo events have been accused of criminal behavior, with multiple accusing victims.

If your example begins and ends with Roseanne, then say that. But propagating a far left boogeyman is just not fair. I think you have a valid point on Roseanne BTW, but even then the situations where very different and have been discussed here and elsewhere in depth.

 

[Pixieish]

WOW. Someone doxxed Cernovich on Twitter.

 

[Mike S]

WOW. Someone doxxed Cernovich on Twitter.

Wouldn’t this be a good thing?

A “taste of your own medicine” sort of deal?

 

[AEfx]

That is a lot a big what-ifs. What far-left group has gotten someone fired for just words (heck, or actions), that are years old and have already publically apologized, also years ago? Most of the folks that have been ousted in these #MeToo events have been accused of criminal behavior, with multiple accusing victims.

If your example begins and ends with Roseanne, then say that. But propagating a far left boogeyman is just not fair. I think you have a valid point on Roseanne BTW, but even then the situations where very different and have been discussed here and elsewhere in depth.

No, it's not "a lot" of "big what if's" - it is what happened. Many people were for his firing until they found out who some of the people pushing it were. Then suddenly they care about nuance and context, etc. Not everyone was hypocritical, but people are already rewriting history here and making it sound like it was some sole right wing crazy person and no one else has a problem with 10,000 deleted posts with countless pedo and rape "jokes".

In any case, you want examples? Sure. Milo Yiannopoulis. Same exact thing. Made a pedo joke years ago, someone "rediscovered" it, and there went his book deal and job. But he was right-wing, so that's okay. Even though, as some try to flimsily defend Gunn with, he also experienced sexual abuse himself (but no one stood up and said it should matter for him).

They attacked Ben Afflect over a video that was ten years old. Billy Bush was fired because he laughed at a joke more than ten years ago that was caught on tape. There are more - just sit and look down the list of people.

You may have not been paying enough attention to see it be more than Weinstein, Cosby, etc. - but if you follow entertainment news daily, you know what I am talking about. This isn't about #metoo, that is kind of separate from the overall issue of outrage culture. It's but one portion of it.

We clearly live in polar opposite worlds - you say you see "white nationalists" everywhere and from the people I know in life, they are the boogeyman - and I'm inundated with identity politics and this garbage every day, and you say that is the "boogeyman". I don't doubt we both see what we say we do, we clearly just live in entirely different worlds.

 

[AEfx]

Wouldn’t this be a good thing?

A “taste of your own medicine” sort of deal?

Only if people want to lose the moral high ground and be taken seriously when they criticize that behavior in others.

That is the whole point. People are regressing back to "an eye for an eye".

 

[WDWTank]

Wouldn’t this be a good thing?

A “taste of your own medicine” sort of deal?

Quoted Hopper from its Tough to be a Bug!

 

[Pixieish]

Wouldn’t this be a good thing?

A “taste of your own medicine” sort of deal?

Part of me was sort of cheering for the guys that did it, but the bigger part was "ohhhh, this is not good."

EDIT: I'm constantly trying to teach my boys that two wrongs don't make a right - which is why I didn't share it here or anywhere else.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Orange you glad Disney didn’t buy Univision?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-quit...l-aggravates-univisions-challenges-1532619314

It was, along with Netflix, one of Iger’s acquisition targets.

 

[Pixieish]

I found a link that breaks down all of the tweets Cernovich unearthed...waiting for @The Mom to okay posting it.

EDIT: There are (depending on how you want to look at it) between 5 and 15 jokes that are the "big" issue.

 

[Pixieish]

No, it's not "a lot" of "big what if's" - it is what happened. Many people were for his firing until they found out who some of the people pushing it were. Then suddenly they care about nuance and context, etc. Not everyone was hypocritical, but people are already rewriting history here and making it sound like it was some sole right wing crazy person and no one else has a problem with 10,000 deleted posts with countless pedo and rape "jokes".

In any case, you want examples? Sure. Milo Yiannopoulis. Same exact thing. Made a pedo joke years ago, someone "rediscovered" it, and there went his book deal and job. But he was right-wing, so that's okay. Even though, as some try to flimsily defend Gunn with, he also experienced sexual abuse himself (but no one stood up and said it should matter for him).

They attacked Ben Afflect over a video that was ten years old. Billy Bush was fired because he laughed at a joke more than ten years ago that was caught on tape. There are more - just sit and look down the list of people.

You may have not been paying enough attention to see it be more than Weinstein, Cosby, etc. - but if you follow entertainment news daily, you know what I am talking about. This isn't about #metoo, that is kind of separate from the overall issue of outrage culture. It's but one portion of it.

We clearly live in polar opposite worlds - you say you see "white nationalists" everywhere and from the people I know in life, they are the boogeyman - and I'm inundated with identity politics and this garbage every day, and you say that is the "boogeyman". I don't doubt we both see what we say we do, we clearly just live in entirely different worlds.

And your last sentence makes perfect sense. Depending on whether you are surrounded by conservative people or liberal people, you would see only one of the two extremes.

 

[Pixieish]

Here's the Reddit link...

WARNING: The text of the tweets is present, along with a commentary/breakdown of them.

 

[Pixieish]

Orange you glad Disney didn’t buy Univision?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-quit...l-aggravates-univisions-challenges-1532619314

It was, along with Netflix, one of Iger’s acquisition targets.

Disney has enough internal problems without adding to them. (Referring to the departments fighting over Disney Infinity.)

 

[Rodan75]

By simply saying this:

In any case, you want examples? Sure. Milo Yiannopoulis. Same exact thing. Made a pedo joke years ago, someone "rediscovered" it, and there went his book deal and job. But he was right-wing, so that's okay. Even though, as some try to flimsily defend Gunn with, he also experienced sexual abuse himself (but no one stood up and said it should matter for him).

You have lost all rational basis for your argument. Saying Milo compares in any way to James Gunn is beyond the pale. Milo is constantly doing and saying things that are racist, offensive and insane. He rarely if ever apologizes. He is ostracized by the gay community and the left because he is viewed as someone who works against equality, regularly promotes racism and is generally consistently offensive.

You are creating false equivalencies and railing that it isn't fair. Of course it is not fair, because they are false equivalencies.

I read and see enough media to see that companies are quick to act, to suspend, but when there isn't proof or the situation doesn't apply to work, the companies are back tracking. Chris Hardwick is a good example. He may be a creep and he may have had a dom/sub relationship that went bad but he isn't a criminal and he is getting his job back.

I agree with you on a lot of things, pitchforks and torches come out way too quickly, careers are ruined on rumor not fact. But I strongly resist your narrative that this is all some far left conspiracy and not just a reckoning that is a generation overdue, but may currently be too aggressive. It isn't party specific or liberal vs conservative.

 

[geekza]

Here's the Reddit link...

WARNING: The text of the tweets is present, along with a commentary/breakdown of them.

I laughed at many of them. Guess I should just give up and fire myself from my job.

Seriously, after reading the Tweets, while some of them were inadvisable for a public figure, NONE of them were in any way indicative of a terrible human being who should be publicly flogged for their transgressions. We have REAL monsters in the world. We have to stop micromanaging what is acceptable. I'm more on Gunn's side than ever.

 

[Pixieish]

I laughed at many of them. Guess I should just give up and fire myself from my job.

Seriously, after reading the Tweets, while some of them were inadvisable for a public figure, NONE of them were in any way indicative of a terrible human being who should be publicly flogged for their transgressions. We have REAL monsters in the world. We have to stop micromanaging what is acceptable. I'm more on Gunn's side than ever.

EXACTLY.

 

[Pixieish]

By simply saying this:



You have lost all rational basis for your argument. Saying Milo compares in any way to James Gunn is beyond the pale. Milo is constantly doing and saying things that are racist, offensive and insane. He rarely if ever apologizes. He is ostracized by the gay community and the left because he is viewed as someone who works against equality, regularly promotes racism and is generally consistently offensive.

You are creating false equivalencies and railing that it isn't fair. Of course it is not fair, because they are false equivalencies.

I read and see enough media to see that companies are quick to act, to suspend, but when there isn't proof or the situation doesn't apply to work, the companies are back tracking. Chris Hardwick is a good example. He may be a creep and he may have had a dom/sub relationship that went bad but he isn't a criminal and he is getting his job back.

I agree with you on a lot of things, pitchforks and torches come out way too quickly, careers are ruined on rumor not fact. But I strongly resist your narrative that this is all some far left conspiracy and not just a reckoning that is a generation overdue, but may currently be too aggressive. It isn't party specific or liberal vs conservative.

This is a "human" issue. It's cyber-bullying at it's worst. This is destroying lives and is the kind of crap kids are killing themselves over - other kids sharing things taken out of context (among other things).

 

[the.dreamfinder]

By simply saying this:



You have lost all rational basis for your argument. Saying Milo compares in any way to James Gunn is beyond the pale. Milo is constantly doing and saying things that are racist, offensive and insane. He rarely if ever apologizes. He is ostracized by the gay community and the left because he is viewed as someone who works against equality, regularly promotes racism and is generally consistently offensive.

You are creating false equivalencies and railing that it isn't fair. Of course it is not fair, because they are false equivalencies.

I read and see enough media to see that companies are quick to act, to suspend, but when there isn't proof or the situation doesn't apply to work, the companies are back tracking. Chris Hardwick is a good example. He may be a creep and he may have had a dom/sub relationship that went bad but he isn't a criminal and he is getting his job back.

I agree with you on a lot of things, pitchforks and torches come out way too quickly, careers are ruined on rumor not fact. But I strongly resist your narrative that this is all some far left conspiracy and not just a reckoning that is a generation overdue, but may currently be too aggressive. It isn't party specific or liberal vs conservative.

He also led the harassment campaign against the female Ghostbuster reboot and called Leslie Jones an ape.

 

[asianway]

That is a lot a big what-ifs. What far-left group has gotten someone fired for just words (heck, or actions), that are years old and have already publically apologized, also years ago? Most of the folks that have been ousted in these #MeToo events have been accused of criminal behavior, with multiple accusing victims.

If your example begins and ends with Roseanne, then say that. But propagating a far left boogeyman is just not fair. I think you have a valid point on Roseanne BTW, but even then the situations where very different and have been discussed here and elsewhere in depth.

I saw an apology from Gunn in late 2012, but in my mind, it did not apologize for what I consider the most offensive of the messages.

Perhaps you can point me to it...

 

[Pixieish]

I saw an apology from Gunn in late 2012, but in my mind, it did not apologize for what I consider the most offensive of the messages.

Perhaps you can point me to it...

You should read the Reddit post I linked. What was eliminated from many of the tweets was the "RT", meaning "retweet". Many of these tweets were Gunn and his buddies busting each other's chops by fake-retweeting each other and making it look like they said nasty stuff.

 

[geekza]

I saw an apology from Gunn in late 2012, but in my mind, it did not apologize for what I consider the most offensive of the messages.

Perhaps you can point me to it...

You know, because everyone keeps a complete tally of everything we've ever typed online. The apology isn't important. It's the actions that are taken afterwards that matter. Changing one's behavior is, presumably, what the intended outcome is of being told that something you've done has hurt someone. I've seen lots of apologies, but what matters are the steps that are taken going forward.

I said and did horribly hurtful things in my younger days that I am justifiably ashamed of. I don't say or do those things any longer because I became aware of their potential damage or hurtfulness and changed my thinking and behavior accordingly. I am glad that I've been allowed the opportunity to grow and, I think, become a better person. The past is fixed. The present and future are the only things over which we have some measure of power.

We must, as a society, afford others the same chance to grow as we would hope to be afforded to ourselves, especially when the circumstances in question are not a heinous crime. If we don't, we're doomed as a species.