A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[Po'Rich]

For those who might be reading this who haven’t seen Infinity War yet- stay away from spoilers. Sure, we all have joked around that Characters X, Y, and Z are probably dying for real in this one, but nothing prepares you for when it’s X.... then B & C instead. The viewing experience will be so much stronger by keeping away from spoilers.

So you're saying that there's 3 individuals dying in this film . . .

 

[Mike S]

So you're saying that there's 3 individuals dying in this film . . .

 

[Animaniac93-98]

If you or anyone else has not read them, the “How it Was Done” posts are a great read. They aren’t original content, but a longer article from 1972 explaining Disney’s business philosophy.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/how-it-was-done.852805/#post-5169512

The change in retail is one of the biggest examples of how Paul Pressler changed Disney’s Parks and continues to influence them. Disney knew that the quirky theme shops did not generate profit but were part of the show. The expectation was that the whole operation was profitable. In one of his threads, @Eddie Sotto talks about how even in the late 1980s they had different categories of retail based on the type of merchandise and sales, a program intended to provide a mix from your mass merchandise high volume Emporium down to an actual antique car dealership that nobody every expected to sell but boy was it cool.

Pressler, coming from Consumer Products, instituted a model based around malls where the metric of success is the square foot. With everything broken down it wasn’t just that quirky shops were being looked at as unprofitable but they were now actually in competition with other shops in the park. The highest selling merchandise was brought in to every location to boost sales, but all that did was spread around the buying. People aren’t going to buy more Pooh plush because it’s in every store. Walt Disney World went from being a single enterprise to a geographic collection of competing businesses that happen to have common ownership.

Isn't this also why certain restaurants at MK are always closed? As if the risk of running any location at a loss for a day is worse than feeding people more efficiently or giving them more options?

 

[Sam Magic]

So you're saying that there's 3 individuals dying in this film . . .

Ha!

Hands down one of the best most dramatic films I've ever seen. I walked out with my mind blown, an emotional wreck, and also extremely excited. Marvel hit all the keys, broke my heart, and made me laugh my off the entire way to it.

 

[Princess Leia]

Infinity War has made an estimated $105.9 Million domestically so far, Box Office Mojo is now predicting over $240 Million for the weekend. Force Awakens made $247M, so we just need to wait and see how today and Sunday go.

Black Panther got a nice little boost from this- it was #5 for ticket sales yesterday, could increase it’s box office totals by another $4Million this weeekend.

 

[FigmentForver96]

Didn't watch to wake the "Rivers of Light" thread up but finally got to see it in person tonight. Honestly, if you haven't seen it in person then there is no way to have a valid opinion of this show. The snipets I had seen made it seem dull and lifeless but I was absolutely stunned by the energy. It was beautiful and elegant and classy. I almost watched it again but I spent the last hour running to the front of Dinosaur, Everest and Kali. So yea kind of random but this is now a must do for me.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

If you or anyone else has not read them, the “How it Was Done” posts are a great read. They aren’t original content, but a longer article from 1972 explaining Disney’s business philosophy.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/how-it-was-done.852805/#post-5169512

The change in retail is one of the biggest examples of how Paul Pressler changed Disney’s Parks and continues to influence them. Disney knew that the quirky theme shops did not generate profit but were part of the show. The expectation was that the whole operation was profitable. In one of his threads, @Eddie Sotto talks about how even in the late 1980s they had different categories of retail based on the type of merchandise and sales, a program intended to provide a mix from your mass merchandise high volume Emporium down to an actual antique car dealership that nobody every expected to sell but boy was it cool.

Pressler, coming from Consumer Products, instituted a model based around malls where the metric of success is the square foot. With everything broken down it wasn’t just that quirky shops were being looked at as unprofitable but they were now actually in competition with other shops in the park. The highest selling merchandise was brought in to every location to boost sales, but all that did was spread around the buying. People aren’t going to buy more Pooh plush because it’s in every store. Walt Disney World went from being a single enterprise to a geographic collection of competing businesses that happen to have common ownership.

It’s fascinating to watch the suits trip all over themselves once Hogsmeade, with its themed stores, opened and attempt to respond with both Pandora and Galaxy’s Edge. They had so thoroughly destroyed the standard they set, a competitor was able to bring it back and be seen as innovative. Galaxy Edge’s retail component, with its in universe merchandise, draws the distinction between the present and past in focus for guests.

Seeing how guests react to Galaxy’s Edge will take up most of the attention, but I’m interested in how guests react to the rest of the resort once they’ve been.

 

[seascape]

It’s fascinating to watch the suits trip all over themselves once Hogsmeade, with its themed stores, opened and attempt to respond with both Pandora and Galaxy’s Edge. They had so thoroughly destroyed the standard they set, a competitor was able to bring it back and be seen as innovative. Galaxy Edge’s retail component, with its in universe merchandise, draws the distinction between the present and past in focus for guests.

Seeing how guests react to Galaxy’s Edge will take up most of the attention, but I’m interested in how guests react to the rest of the resort once they’ve been.

If you are looking at the reaction of guests the number to look at is the percentages of tourists who come back year after year. If it is as high as WDW look for Universal to start selling timeshares on the new property and having it be the only new resorts with front of line access at all of their gates.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I told my friend that I saw it with that I think I know how people felt when they walked out of Empire Strikes Back for the first time.

That was an incredible viewing experience.

Yeah that's pretty much the comparison. A LOT of questions.

 

[asianway]

Yeah that's pretty much the comparison. A LOT of questions.

Except the story was already told in the comics, and we know roughly how it will end

 

[Princess Leia]

Except the story was already told in the comics, and we know roughly how it will end

Except the vast majority of people who watched the movie haven’t read the comics (example- me, as I’ve only read Fraction & Aja’s Hawkeye and a few issues of Captain Marvel, but most people don’t even have that background).

So yes, the source material is available, but it isn’t familiar to everyone.

 

[Mike S]

Yeah that's pretty much the comparison. A LOT of questions.

But in a good way rather than the Star Wars sequels way.

 

[Princess Leia]

But in a good way rather than the Star Wars sequels way.

I’m now trying to think if Infinity War is more Empire or Rogue One, or if it’s a solid mix of both.

 

[AEfx]

I’m now trying to think if Infinity War is more Empire or Rogue One, or if it’s a solid mix of both.

The biggest difference with Rogue One is that Jyn, Cassian, et al

Spoiler

aren't coming back from the dead, but we can be assured that just about everyone who "died" at the conclusion of Infinity Wars will be.

I thought it was a great movie, but I didn't get the "feels" at the end, no matter how bad the film wanted me to

Spoiler

because I know the "deaths" at the finale are just going to be undone. It was "killing" off the remaining members of GotG where it lost me on that count. I was like "Drax? Ok...Groot? Eh, I guess they can just seed him again somehow...but Starlord?" No, as soon as that handsome face disintegrated I knew it. GotG3 isn't going to be Rocket's solo debut. And I dang well knew once Black Panther vanished - even if that originally had been planned, you know full well Disney would have yanked that moment out of there, as soon as the box office for Black Panther happened.

You kids are going to be too young to remember, LOL, but it was more Dynasty (the 1980's version) than Empire Strikes Back to me -

Spoiler

the Moldovian Massacre, LOL.

 

[Mike S]

The biggest difference with Rogue One is that Jyn, Cassian, et al

Spoiler

aren't coming back from the dead, but we can be assured that just about everyone who "died" at the conclusion of Infinity Wars will be.

I thought it was a great movie, but I didn't get the "feels" at the end, no matter how bad the film wanted me to

Spoiler

because I know the "deaths" at the end are just going to be undone. It was "killing" off the remaining members of GotG where it lost me on that count. I was like "Drax? Ok...Groot? Eh, I guess they can just seed him again somehow...but Starlord?" No, as soon as that handsome face disintegrated I knew it. GotG3 isn't going to be Rocket's solo debut. And I dang well knew once Black Panther vanished - even if that originally had been planned, you know full well Disney would have yanked that moment out of there, as soon as the box office for Black Panther happened.

Spoiler

The only deaths that might be permanent are Loki, Heimdall, the Collector, and maybe Gamora. Everyone else from the snap are theorized to actually be stuck in the Soul Stone. I still felt for it though. They actually let Thanos win albeit temporarily.

 

[Sped2424]

But in a good way rather than the Star Wars sequels way.

Wait you don't like the last Jedi but like infinity war???? I left the latter utterly unimpressed and if I'm being honest upset. Felt like a cash grab making the film into two parts.

 

[AEfx]

Spoiler

The only deaths that might be permanent are Loki, Heimdall, the Collector, and maybe Gamora. Everyone else from the snap are theorized to actually be stuck in the Soul Stone. I still felt for it though. They actually let Thanos win albeit temporarily.

Yeah, that's why I specified

Spoiler

the deaths at the "end", the "blown away in ash" stuff. I actually expect the other deaths to "stick".

It's too bad the Tony Stark one didn't, though - it would have been very appropriate. I'm kind of hoping whatever "undoes" everything else "redoes" that.

 

[AEfx]

Wait you don't like the last Jedi but like infinity war???? I left the latter utterly unimpressed and if I'm being honest upset. Felt like a cash grab making the film into two parts.

Yet I bet part two will ACTUALLY resolve the plot of part one! Won't that be novel, and something they will do better than the current slate of Star Wars films, where they actively ignore the previous film and just "go their own way".

 

[Sped2424]

Yet I bet part two will ACTUALLY resolve the plot of part one! Won't that be novel, and something they will do better than the current slate of Star Wars films, where they actively ignore the previous film and just "go their own way".

Ah yes I keep forgetting that the last Jedi is the last star wars film in it's trilogy thus leading to no resolutions.... As for for infinity wars "plot" you'd be rather generous to call it then given almost every major moment from this film is going to be undone. But it's groundbreaking for doing so...I'm sorry I really love marvel movies I do but this was weak.

 

[Sped2424]

Was it fun to see all these characters interact? Of course and the action scenes were a blast. But there was no meat beyond that, everything this film did was a stunt given that it won't matter. I know people give the last Jedi some crap but at least it sticks to it's narrative.