A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[bclane]

Oh dear...I'm a lifelong fan/promoter of the OT...and I'll admit I did shriek in mental pain a tad at 2 in the morning on a putrid, rainy night in May of 1999 outside a carmike cinema in state college, pa...guilty as charged...

But I think "distraught" is a tad much. Look...disney is following their own agenda with Star Wars and basically eroding the pilings more like Lucas did. It's their prerogative...they've killed off two of the greatest heroes of American pop culture...and the other appears legally dead before Abrams wheeled her onto the set.

It happens...we can move on. I'll check back with you in 5 years and see how much you "love it" then. I bid you adieu...

Okidoki

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

OMG!

...better bring your "A game"

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Anyone want to hear about the chinese box office outlook?

Becuse we can almost see the final tally and those disney traders are gonna be THRILLED!!!

Give Johnson, kennedy, and Abrams a raise...

IMO, China will be one of the few markets where it will match or exceed TFA.

TFA: $124 Million
R1: $69 Million

 

[brb1006]

If Stitch finally closes, I hope this thread finally gets back on track.

 

[Travel Junkie]

My feelings of sympathy for people isn't me trying to convince myself of anything or me being patronizing or something. It's legit. Some posters here and in other forums I read have come across as legitimately distraught over this and it reminds me of my brother who was practically suicidal after seeing TPM. It REALLY had an impact on him and he went into a bit of a depressive spell for a while afterwards. It was like his childhood was ruined for real. Maybe you just don't know a lot of people who sympathize with how not liking a Star Wars movie can affect a person. I've lived it.

It's really something to see a movie affect some people that much. It's tough to have a civil conversation with them. Part of you wants to smack them around and another part feels sorry for them.

The fact is that Disney didn't buy Lucasfilm to make a trilogy and be done with it. They are going to make dozens of films and to do that they had to expand the universe. You can't continue making films like TFA, which was just a fan service movie. I'm not saying it was a bad film, but you can't copy the same formula over and over and keep them coming back.

They needed a film like TLJ. They needed to open up more possibilities of who can be special so they can tell more types of stories and appeal to more people. Disney knew it and why they rewarded Johnson with his own trilogy to develop. This is the smart long play even if it ticked off some hard core fans in the process.

 

[bclane]

It's really something to see a movie affect some people that much. It's tough to have a civil conversation with them. Part of you wants to smack them around and another part feels sorry for them.

The fact is that Disney didn't buy Lucasfilm to make a trilogy and be done with it. They are going to make dozens of films and to do that they had to expand the universe. You can't continue making films like TFA, which was just a fan service movie. I'm not saying it was a bad film, but you can't copy the same formula over and over and keep them coming back.

They needed a film like TLJ. They needed to open up more possibilities of who can be special so they can tell more types of stories and appeal to more people. Disney knew it and why they rewarded Johnson with his own trilogy to develop. This is the smart long play even if it ticked off some hard core fans in the process.

Yeah, I agree. I'm really looking forward to seeing where this is all headed. I mean, there are things I would have done differently if I were in the director's chair. But I love what we got.

 

[Astro Blaster]

My feelings of sympathy for people isn't me trying to convince myself of anything or me being patronizing or something. It's legit. Some posters here and in other forums I read have come across as legitimately distraught over this and it reminds me of my brother who was practically suicidal after seeing TPM. It REALLY had an impact on him and he went into a bit of a depressive spell for a while afterwards. It was like his childhood was ruined for real. Maybe you just don't know a lot of people who sympathize with how not liking a Star Wars movie can affect a person. I've lived it.

I was 11 when TPM came out so I was able to enjoy it for what it was. If it came out today I probably wouldn’t know what to do with myself.

What TLJ does within the Star Wars universe can certainly be debated, but it seems obvious to me that it is a very well-made, engrossing film. If someone has never seen Star Wars before, I would totally recommend TLJ to them. I would not tell them to pop in a blu ray of a prequel for their first SW experience.

Anyway, was anyone in WDW for New Years? I’ve never been for a NYE and keep going back and forth as to whether that would be a lot of fun or the worst idea of all time.

 

[AEfx]

Low blow. He has a different opinion of a movie franchise and you compare him to flat earthers? Because of your “evidence”?

What are you prattling on about? I was agreeing with him and his statements about opinion - they certainly are varied and wide, just like he said.

 

[bclane]

I was 11 when TPM came out so I was able to enjoy it for what it was. If it came out today I probably wouldn’t know what to do with myself.

What TLJ does within the Star Wars universe can certainly be debated, but it seems obvious to me that it is a very well-made, engrossing film. If someone has never seen Star Wars before, I would totally recommend TLJ to them. I would not tell them to pop in a blu ray of a prequel for their first SW experience.

Anyway, was anyone in WDW for New Years? I’ve never been for a NYE and keep going back and forth as to whether that would be a lot of fun or the worst idea of all time.

Yeah the prequels are definitely not my favorite in the series, but there were some pretty cool moments to be found, even in TPM (the score, the designs, Obi-Wan, Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, the expanded Force powers, etc.) that allowed me to enjoy them for what they are despite things like JarJar and the Midichlorian debacle...for me anyway. I mean I would have done things a lot differently, but I'm not going to give anyone a hard time that likes them. And I had a blast watching them with my kids when they came out on DVD and when they were young they preferred them to the OT. Now that they are older they prefer the OT, then the sequel movies and finally the prequels in that order.

I didn't make it this year, but I always enjoy going to WDW for NYE. But I wouldn't go there trying to ride rides. The crowds are insane. I just go for the fireworks and atmosphere.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I had to look up who Ahsoka Tano is....she's not in the movies so I wasn't aware of her existence, that's not good for continuity in the movie franchise

So, you're OK with Rey's father being the Force ghost of Qui-Gon Jinn, but it's Ahsoka Tano you have a problem with??

 

[bclane]

So, you're OK with Rey's father being the Force ghost of Qui-Gon Jinn, but it's Ahsoka Tano you have a problem with??

Qui-Gon's Force ghost makes perfect sense...because he's a lover, not a fighter.

 

[AEfx]

My feelings of sympathy for people isn't me trying to convince myself of anything or me being patronizing or something. It's legit. Some posters here and in other forums I read have come across as legitimately distraught over this and it reminds me of my brother who was practically suicidal after seeing TPM. It REALLY had an impact on him and he went into a bit of a depressive spell for a while afterwards. It was like his childhood was ruined for real. Maybe you just don't know a lot of people who sympathize with how not liking a Star Wars movie can affect a person. I've lived it.

What in hell makes you think that people are depressed or distraught? Can you point out these posts? Because I'm not seeing them.

You certainly are projecting a lot on people who are discussing a film, however passionately. Your post after post talking about people like they are mentally ill or their lives are somehow deeply affected by this *is* coming across as very patronizing, no matter how passive-aggressively you are couching it with the "I just feel so bad for you..." stuff.

When the majority of what you have posted in regards to the film in this and other threads is about the people making the comments, and what you think they feel or why they hold the opinions they hold, and not the film itself, it is difficult to not think that you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

IMO, China will be one of the few markets where it will match or exceed TFA.

TFA: $124 Million
R1: $69 Million

Take a licky at this...I posted an earlier one on the spoiler thread that was outdated...I apologize. But what they said there that was omitted is that the movie is weak in the traditional Star Wars markets in Japan and South Korea (star wars is a "NATO" thing...I said that two weeks ago and it was too clever, apparently...so I'll say "western Cold War block success")...

It will have to pull a miracle in china (disney is scrambling because they are stupid about china...spending more money to promote) for this movie to get to a 30% drop from force awakens...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...dis-china-fate-is-still-highly-uncertain/amp/

 

[MisterPenguin]

So when does the Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru prequel movie come out?

It will be an art film in co-production with Disney*Fox Searchlight. It will be an 80 minute low-budget psychological drama where Owen and Beru have lengthy distraught conversations about Luke and we see with subtle signs how that impacts their relationship leading them into a deep depression. It will be entitled...

BLUE: A Star Wars Film

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What in hell makes you think that people are depressed or distraught? Can you point out these posts? Because I'm not seeing them.

You certainly are projecting a lot on people who are discussing a film, however passionately. Your post after post talking about people like they are mentally ill or their lives are somehow deeply affected by this *is* coming across as very patronizing, no matter how passive-aggressively you are couching it with the "I just feel so bad for you..." stuff.

When the majority of what you have posted in regards to the film in this and other threads is about the people making the comments, and what you think they feel or why they hold the opinions they hold, and not the film itself, it is difficult to not think that you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else.

That was kinda where I was going...I just wasn't as offended/aggressive...

This "I feel sorry for you" comes off as patronizing...which is usually at least partially delusional as to the individuals understanding of the subject matter.

I want to give benefit of the Dis though...there's a certain level of excuse making always built in around here...and hate as well. It's tough to navigate at times.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It will be an art film in co-production with Disney*Fox Searchlight. It will be an 80 minute low-budget psychological drama where Owen and Beru have lengthy distraught conversations about Luke and we see with subtle signs how that impacts their relationship leading them into a deep depression. It will be entitled...

BLUE: A Star Wars Film

They could spice it up and have Beru oddly attracted to Luke as he does backbreaking work moisture farming? They're not blood related after all...

 

[AEfx]

IMO, China will be one of the few markets where it will match or exceed TFA.

TFA: $124 Million
R1: $69 Million

That will be a heck of a tall order. Ticket presales are running only about 13% ahead of Rogue One, and TLJ is opening into a very crowded Chinese box office right now with several "local" films in the middle of being unexpected smash hits. And it will only have one week to make its big splash, as Jumanji (which has performed better than expectations everywhere so far) opens next week.

It probably would do better if they had held it until the end of the month, because it's turning out to be a very bad time to open in China.

 

[AEfx]

If Stitch finally closes, I hope this thread finally gets back on track.

What track is that?

Seriously. WDWMagic1974 has all but retired from this board. He has shown up like once in the past six months. As usual, this is the catch-all-thread it always has been in regards to everything related to the Disney company and what they produce.

 

[bclane]

What in hell makes you think that people are depressed or distraught? Can you point out these posts? Because I'm not seeing them.

You certainly are projecting a lot on people who are discussing a film, however passionately. Your post after post talking about people like they are mentally ill or their lives are somehow deeply affected by this *is* coming across as very patronizing, no matter how passive-aggressively you are couching it with the "I just feel so bad for you..." stuff.

When the majority of what you have posted in regards to the film in this and other threads is about the people making the comments, and what you think they feel or why they hold the opinions they hold, and not the film itself, it is difficult to not think that you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else.

I'm not being passive aggressive at all. I've expressed how I feel about the matter and why. But feel free to judge and misinterpret my intentions and posts all you want. Makes no difference to me.

 

[AEfx]

I'm not being passive aggressive at all. I've expressed how I feel about the matter and why. But feel free to judge and misinterpret my intentions and posts all you want. Makes no difference to me.

Yeah, you are doing a really good job convincing us that what people say makes no difference to you, ROFL.