A funny thing happened to me on the DVC tour...

[AEfx]

Non DVC members can be so jealous of thoes in the club.

LOL, does someone have a closed, myopic view or what?

You know, not everyone goes to Disney to hang out in a hotel. I live on the coast right next to a vacation town where there are luxurious resorts that make even DVC properties look like a shanty town, with tuxedoed butlers and a level of concierge unimaginable. If that was what I was looking for, it's on my doorstep, with ocean views, and not land-locked in the middle of a state.

I go to Disney for what I can't get at home - the themeparks and entertainment experiences. If you take out sleeping and showering, I doubt I spent more than an hour or two in my room on my last trip. While if someone offered me a free stay in a DVC, sure, I'm all over that - but in terms of value it just isn't there for those of us who don't like to sit at our resort. I cook at home every day - when I come to Disney I like other people to cook. Because I generally stay at a value or moderate, I have much more money to visit all the sit-down dining I want and for other things that I'll actually be awake to appriciate. Now that I've stayed at Pop, it's my favorite resort (and I've stayed in all categories) for so many reasons - chief of which is I can get it for $49/night which means I can afford to travel across the country every 2-3 months to visit. I'd have to buy one load of points to get the 4-weeks worth I'd need every year.

Just keep in mind that other people have different experiences than you if you choose to continue being so argumentative as you have been so far in this thread. Just because some people say DVC isn't for them and give the reasons why does not mean they are "jealous", just that their circumstances may not make it possible, or even desirable, in my case.

AEfx

 

[phichi17]

I think it all boils down to what works for you. Speaking ONLY for my family, it absolutely made sense to buy into the DVC.

We are not into the concierge thing, but we do like our space when we are in our room. The two bedroom option is absolutely the best for us. It allows privacy while keeping all of us together with a decent amount of space. For us, vacation is the only time we have all together in one place.

It also works for us in terms of vacation planning. Since our last trip (we stayed at POR) we have decided to return to the MAGIC at least twice a year, more if we can get the time off. The DVC gives us the flexability to do this. We actually bought into DVC before our most recent trip, using the video and material they sent us as a guide, and only intending to visit once a year.

Finally, as stated in earlier posts, I know it is not financially feasible for everyone. My immediate and extended family are fortunate enough to be able to afford this, but I understand it's not a viable lodging choice for all. I personally love that Disney chose to start this, and I don't mind spending my vacation dollar with them. We simply made the choice to pre-pay for our lodging for the next 50 years!! I know, the maintenance fees....if these keep the properties up to Disney standards, so be it. I would rather lay out a little each month knowing that when I go "home" everything is at its Disney best.

We here on this wonderful board should be able to look past our lodging choices and celebrate the MAGIC that is WDW! Flame away if you must...

 

[FamilyMan]

And you know, you're in the minority if DVC is actually giving you more bang for your buck. But for the most part, it's a money maker. So, that's good for you, and I'm glad it works out for you, but for most people, it's just a rip-off, nothing more. Time Shares are in Orlando to make money... and Disney's main goal is to do the same. I've been through the heck that they put you through when you go to those tours. If you're not smart enough and haven't done the math before hand, you'll end up buying. And it's as simple as that. That's how the money is made, and it's what keeps Eisner happy.

 

[phichi17]

Family Man is right!! mostly....

Time Shares are in Orlando to make money... and Disney's main goal is to do the same.

I could not agree more. But part of my point was if I am going to spend a dollar in Orlando for lodging, it's going to be with Disney. Its a personal choice, and one that's not for everyone. I am jealous of those that live in the immediate area and don't have to pay for lodging at all ( just rent, mortgage etc...lol)

Take for example Disneys non-DVC resorts...POR for example. I stayed there Nov 17-20 and spent "X" amount of dollars. I did the research and could have stayed off property for much less in comprable or better accomodations, but I chose to stay there. It worked for us.

I humbly believe saying DVC is a rip-off is not giving those who have invested a fair shake. While I am sure some people that bought into it did it and regret it, I have spoken to countless people on property and off who think it was the best thing they ever did in regards to a vacation investment...again each familys situation is different. I do pity those who did not do their homework and bought on impulse after taking the tour. It (the tour) can pull on the heartstrings with all the imagery and stirring Disney music you hear on it.

I would suggest that ANYONE that does take the tour really evaluate their individual situation BEFORE they go on it. Disney says its not high pressure...total BS. While they may not have their hand in your pocket or hardsell you with the salesperson, a certain mouse and his friends are pulling on your sleeves the entire time. It can be overwhelming if you are not prepared.

By the way FamilyMan, I left you good rep points for your opinion because I respect it.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Who cares about the numbers game? Surely its all about the perceptions of those who invest. If they are satisfied then it’s a no brainer. Why is everything about getting a deal and greater returns, surely being happy is the key.

A guy has just joined our firm as operations director, he noticed the Disney pics in my office and goes off on one. Turns out hes been a DVC member for years and a big Disney fan. He does as good a sales pitch as any salesman ive heard. Don’t think its right for us at this stage, but who knows?

 

[phichi17]

Pumbas, you are a lot shorter winded and more to the point than I am, well said.

 

[mickeyfanatics]

DVC pays for itself

Well, we are DVC members and have found it pays for itself in many ways. We wanted to vacation often and can. I love being able to cook in my room because it saves me money. 3 meals a day at Disney for a family of 4 can cost you $$$$$$$$$$$$$. One other side note that nobody has mentioned...

When using points to stay in any resort, you do not have to pay Florida's 11% hotel tax and 7% sales tax on the room. We also avoided this at Disneyland.

And yes, some of us go to Disney and never enter the parks. We spent 4 days last summer at SSR and never entered the parks (our seasonal passes were not valid). We pool hopped and had a great time being so close to DTD.

 

[Gail Hayden]

DVC isn't all it's cracked up to be... not only because it reverts back to Disney after so many years, but also because of the maintenance fees. If you do all the math, including everything, you will find that it comes out about the same as if you were just staying at a resort. And for the services you loose when you're in the DVC vs. a real hotel room at Disney just aren't worth it. DVC is one of Disney's biggest money makers. And even though I know some people here are DVC members, you can't deny the fact that you're not really saving money. And for a lot of people, you're also missing out on the vacation experience of staying in a real hotel. Yes, the rooms are larger and better, but who wants to cook on a vacation? I mean, that's the point of a vacation!

You have good points and I am sure they work for you. I don't happen to like "real" hotel rooms, I chose to cook on vacation, I don't have to. If the services I lose being a DVC member meant something to me, I would not have joined.
I suggest you redo the math and tell me how you came to your conclusion.

 

[Gail Hayden]

Neat! Comparing apples to oranges is cool! Now try the real math. Find out how much a DVC two bedroom is and see how much 32 days would cost.

32 nights in a box vs 32 years of a week or more in a big two bedroom apartment. I love people that don't get it! I'll be in the jacuzzi tub in my two bedroom if you need to run the numbers again.

LOL, they are not factoring in the increase in hotel rooms for the next 32 (42 for SSR) years. I promise the increase in the room rate will be more than our increase in dues/fees.

They don't have to "get it", it is their preference.

 

[Jaws Theme]

For security reasons, You just have been "Chipped"...



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You have too. Put your scanner down and go watch your Star Wars DVD box set. We will give you a call if we need you.

Next time add to the post or don't post.

 

[Gail Hayden]

"Big two bedroom apt"

Back in Oct, one of the nights, I think I spent 7 hours in my room out of 2 days total.

a regular room on concierge is just fine.

Plus, after those 32 years, its done, zip, nadda, you have nothing to claim for your $13,000 plus....

Not to start a fight, you will have nada after 32 years in a concierge room.
Some of us, because of the accomodations, spend a lot of time in the rooms.

If a reg. room on concierge is fine for you, then that is great. I would like to believe our choices are great for you also.

 

[Gail Hayden]

And you know, you're in the minority if DVC is actually giving you more bang for your buck. But for the most part, it's a money maker. So, that's good for you, and I'm glad it works out for you, but for most people, it's just a rip-off, nothing more. Time Shares are in Orlando to make money... and Disney's main goal is to do the same. I've been through the heck that they put you through when you go to those tours. If you're not smart enough and haven't done the math before hand, you'll end up buying. And it's as simple as that. That's how the money is made, and it's what keeps Eisner happy.

There is no pressure in a DVC tour. I have been through the he** of other timeshares. I purchased mine entirely unseen and via Fed ex.

 

[Jaws Theme]

I don't think it's necessary to insult anyone. I prefer Jerm's honesty to your argumentative attitude so check that chip on your shoulder at the forum door.

I didn't insult him, that's your opinion. He stated in his post his main reason for going on the tour was getting a free meal. That's Cheap. What would you call it? You never addressed the time he wasted of the cast members. The tour guide only gets 2 or 3 tours a day and he wasted one of them. He knew he wasn't going to buy. If someone wasted 1/3 of your workday would you like it? How can you defend this?
P.S.You can get a free meal at the food bank in downtown Orlando all you have to do is pretend your poor! Just like pretending you have an interest in the club!FREE MEALS FOR EVERYONE!

 

[Gail Hayden]

I didn't insult him, that's your opinion. He stated in his post his main reason for going on the tour was getting a free meal. That's Cheap. What would you call it? You never addressed the time he wasted of the cast members. The tour guide only gets 2 or 3 tours a day and he wasted one of them. He knew he wasn't going to buy. If someone wasted 1/3 of your workday would you like it? How can you defend this?
P.S.You can get a free meal at the food bank in downtown Orlando all you have to do is pretend your poor! Just like pretending you have an interest in the club!FREE MEALS FOR EVERYONE!

I am sure that if DVC thought the free meal etc. was an intolerable expense, they would eliminate it. I am also sure many people do it. I am also sure they sell to some that have no intention of buying. While it did take up time, the vacation guides are paid regardless. They can stand around or lead a tour.
Personally, I would have nothing to lose by leading a tour. It could end in a sale. I cannot defend it, but, I can say, when you go into this business you know that not everyone is going to buy and some will take up your time.

 

[Jaws Theme]

I am sure that if DVC thought the free meal etc. was an intolerable expense, they would eliminate it. I am also sure many people do it. I am also sure they sell to some that have no intention of buying. While it did take up time, the vacation guides are paid regardless. They can stand around or lead a tour.
Personally, I would have nothing to lose by leading a tour. It could end in a sale. I cannot defend it, but, I can say, when you go into this business you know that not everyone is going to buy and some will take up your time.

They did get rid of the free meals long ago. They must have just came back. The reason they were pulled the first time was because of guests like Jerm. The tour times fill up during busy times and some families that really wanted to buy couldnt get a tour time.

Look, you can do it. I just don't think its right. People in their quest for free food don't realize all the other people they affect by their actions.

 

[DisneyPhD]

DVC isn't all it's cracked up to be... not only because it reverts back to Disney after so many years, but also because of the maintenance fees. If you do all the math, including everything, you will find that it comes out about the same as if you were just staying at a resort. And for the services you loose when you're in the DVC vs. a real hotel room at Disney just aren't worth it. DVC is one of Disney's biggest money makers. And even though I know some people here are DVC members, you can't deny the fact that you're not really saving money. And for a lot of people, you're also missing out on the vacation experience of staying in a real hotel. Yes, the rooms are larger and better, but who wants to cook on a vacation? I mean, that's the point of a vacation!

I am sorry but that is just so not true. I know it is since I worked the numbers before we joined (price of buy in plus dues over 40 years divied.) It is an investment, but we save great deal of money. Yes we could stay there cheaper at a value with codes, but that is not compareing apples to apples.

It is really more like buying a car then a home that goes up in vaule. It does depreicate as you use it. However unlike buying a car it will last you 40 years (tell me another 15 to 20 thousand spent on a car that you can use for the next 40 years I don't think so.) Dues goes up. Everything goes up. It doesn't rise that much.

My hubby did a post with the numbers a few weeks ago, I will look for it.
Yes DVC guides are selling something, everyone is selling something. I wish we would of joined years ago, we would of saved so much money.

Yes, it goes back to Disney in 40 years , I am going to be 73, I don't care. 40 years is long enough for me. If my kids want DVC they can buy there own, they will be indipendent by then ( I hope!)

I hardley think maid service is that important. As Gail said, do you have a maid at home? Do you really need it on vacation? Is fresh towels and someone making your bed that important? You can get all the towels you want, they just don't bring them to your room for you. Do you need someone to move all your junk and wipe down the sink while you are on vacation? I don't that is for sure.

Members are Magial. DVC can't be for everyone. There wouldn't be enough. But I am happy it is for me and I know a couple thousand people who is is good for who are just as happy with it as I am. (more so, some have 600 + points.)

I am greatful I can afford it.

In the time it took me to do this post, like 8 people had posted also. I will have to read them all, but mickeyfanatics those are great points also.

 

[Jaws Theme]

2005 Rates

7 Nights in a two bedroom at OLd Key West is $4900 during peak season.

7 Nights in a box at AKL $3885 during peak seson.

This year most Disney rooms went up $15 to $25 per night.

Just thought the facts may help some of you.

 

[Gail Hayden]

2005 Rates

7 Nights in a two bedroom at OLd Key West is $4900 during peak season.

7 Nights in a box at AKL $3885 during peak seson.

This year most Disney rooms went up $15 to $25 per night.

Just thought the facts may help some of you.

It would be closer if you figured for a studio. That would be a more fair comparison.

 

[Gail Hayden]

They did get rid of the free meals long ago. They must have just came back. The reason they were pulled the first time was because of guests like Jerm. The tour times fill up during busy times and some families that really wanted to buy couldnt get a tour time.

Look, you can do it. I just don't think its right. People in their quest for free food don't realize all the other people they affect by their actions.

They pulled them and put them back in a number of times. It seems that everytime they open a new resort, they use this as an incentive.
My incentive (had I actually purchased in person) would have been ice cream and a photo. What I did get as a really nice incentive for purchasing was free passes until 12/31/99.

I do not even want to get into a debate as to if taking advantage of a free meal with no intention of buying is "right" or "wrong". Personally, I think that if DVC had a problem with it, they would stop it. And, like I said before, you never know if someone will change their mind.

 

[Craig & Lisa]

He did not "Steal" a meal. He attended the required presentation, and that was his reward.

Who made you King of the DVC gods???

Sorry to say, he did steal the meal, and admitted to going just for the meal, he wasted the salesmans time, my family and I are DVC members, for a short time we did not at the time of the presentation have the money and a arrangement was made so we were able to afford getting into DVC. We do not miss the daily maid service, do you change the towels and sheets in your house everyday? Before you jump against someone, don't knock it before you try it.:wave: