MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

Agent H

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As someone who doesn’t go to Animal Kingdom, I won’t comment on the comparisons being made here, but it’s difficult for me to imagine a decision more detrimental to any of the parks than the filling in of the Rivers of America. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
No the most ugliest shocking and crystal clear example of that would be be obliterating the castle for a roller coaster 😉
 
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UNCgolf

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As someone who doesn’t go to Animal Kingdom, I won’t comment on the comparisons being made here, but it’s difficult for me to imagine a decision more detrimental to any of the parks than the filling in of the Rivers of America. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

It's very bad, but at least the plan is to replace it with something else focused on a natural environment (at least to an extent... Cars isn't exactly the best option).

To be comparable to Zootopia at Animal Kingdom, at least IMO, they'd need to fill in Rivers of America and then replace it with something like Avengers Campus.

Also, just to be clear, I think filling in the ROA and replacing it with a Cars attraction is an absolutely terrible idea. I'm not supportive of the move whatsoever -- it's solely that if I was forced to pick between one or the other, I'd choose this over Zootopia at DAK.
 

LittleBuford

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It's very bad, but at least the plan is to replace it with something else focused on a natural environment (at least to an extent... Cars isn't exactly the best option).

To be comparable to Zootopia at Animal Kingdom, at least IMO, they'd need to fill in Rivers of America and then replace it with something like Avengers Campus.

Also, just to be clear, I think filling in the ROA and replacing it with a Cars attraction is an absolutely terrible idea. I'm not supportive of the move whatsoever -- it's solely that if I was forced to pick between one or the other, I'd choose this over Zootopia at DAK.
Leaving aside my lack of personal connection to Animal Kingdom, I can't agree, but I understand your reasoning and respect it.
 

mickEblu

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It's very bad, but at least the plan is to replace it with something else focused on a natural environment (at least to an extent... Cars isn't exactly the best option).

To be comparable to Zootopia at Animal Kingdom, at least IMO, they'd need to fill in Rivers of America and then replace it with something like Avengers Campus.

Also, just to be clear, I think filling in the ROA and replacing it with a Cars attraction is an absolutely terrible idea. I'm not supportive of the move whatsoever -- it's solely that if I was forced to pick between one or the other, I'd choose this over Zootopia at DAK.

Oh stop. You re acting as if they would not have gone through great lengths to hide Zooptopia from the rest of the park. Not to mention do we know for a fact that they wouldn’t have gone with the Rainforest district in Zootopia or something like that? Because we do know for a fact that over at MK they’re crapping on the design intent of 1/4 of the park.
 
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James Alucobond

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I’ve visited China but that doesn’t make me Chinese or a part of Chinese culture.
I took what I quoted to mean that Indy wouldn't reasonably interface with Mayan culture, but perhaps it actually meant that he wasn't culturally Mayan? If the latter, duh, but human characters in AK are not always ethnically or culturally part of the depicted region. The Australian trekker Bob is not Nepalese, and the humans in Pandora are not native Na'vi.
 

mickEblu

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Honestly I can understand the logic of any fan that says they want to keep AK as thematically pure as possible. Or anyone that has more of a sense of pride towards AK as it’s the beautiful and unique park found nowhere else. But to say Zootopia land at AK would have been more detrimental than removing the ROA at MK is utter non sense.
 

JackCH

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Honestly I can understand the logic of any fan that says they want to keep AK as thematically pure as possible. Or anyone that has more of a sense of pride towards AK as it’s the beautiful and unique park found nowhere else. But to say Zootopia land at AK would have been more detrimental than removing the ROA at MK is utter non sense.
Meh. I think a coherent case has been given. You just don't agree. Which is fine. But that doesn't make it nonsense. We are talking about a highly subjective form of art and entertainment afterall.

They are both questionable decisions and your mileage may vary over how much one upsets you compared to the other. I don't have a great attachment to the River, so while I don't love this decision, it isn't as frustrating to me as the Moana/Zootopia concept would have been at DAK.
 

Disgruntled Walt

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In the Parks
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Honestly I can understand the logic of any fan that says they want to keep AK as thematically pure as possible. Or anyone that has more of a sense of pride towards AK as it’s the beautiful and unique park found nowhere else. But to say Zootopia land at AK would have been more detrimental than removing the ROA at MK is utter non sense.
I agree with this. From a purely legacy standpoint, removing the RoA and replacing it with Cars is much more detrimental because it is the first big CHANGE to the inherent geography of the park, and from a thematic standpoint it dilutes the theme of Frontierland. I would argue that Pandora functioned in a similar way for Animal Kingdom, diluting the theme in such a way that a Zootopia land there, while abhorrent, would not be all that different. "Oh, there are animals involved...that means it fits Animal Kingdom!"

But Animal Kingdom is still getting Zootopia (while not a land), and the RoA is going away. So we all lose.
 

SamusAranX

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AK is the last thematically cohesive park at WDW, the last man standing.

Rohde thank goodness died on this hill, but in my opinion, he won the battle but lost the war. If Disney is willing to desecrate RoA, nothing and I mean nothing is sacred. AK’s demise will come soon enough
 

mickEblu

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AK is the last thematically cohesive park at WDW, the last man standing.

Rohde thank goodness died on this hill, but in my opinion, he won the battle but lost the war. If Disney is willing to desecrate RoA, nothing and I mean nothing is sacred. AK’s demise will come soon enough


I’m not sure that Joe Rohde dying on this hill created a chain of events that led to the entire ROA being scrapped but I imagine it’s possible. I’d love to know if he feels that was worth it. I understand AK was his baby but losing the ROA and 50+ years of a history is a steep price to pay and let’s not kid ourselves. Something just as bad if not worse than Zootopia land will go to AK one day.
 

James Alucobond

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But to say Zootopia land at AK would have been more detrimental than removing the ROA at MK is utter non sense.
There was no Zootopia land announced. This is the fundamental difference. There was a random Zootopia attraction and a random Moana attraction placed next to one another with no rhyme or reason. There was no organization planned. People were desperately trying to apply their own logic, saying, "Well, maybe it'll be Oceania with a Zootopia alley?" but that was all mental gymnastics. The thematic precedent that would have set was objectively worse than the thematic precedent Cars sets, where there is at least lip service to the existing organizational structure of the park. Now, if you want to talk about the value of what is being replaced instead of how fundamentally broken each concept was, then I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that Rivers of America are almost certainly more valuable than Dinoland, but that's a bit of a different discussion.
 

Jrb1979

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IMO this all started due what Harry Potter did for Universal. Disney saw how well it worked that ever since both Disney and Universal mostly be doing stand alone IP lands and attractions.
 

mickEblu

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There was no Zootopia land announced. This is the fundamental difference. There was a random Zootopia attraction and a random Moana attraction placed next to one another with no rhyme or reason. There was no organization planned. People were desperately trying to apply their own logic, saying, "Well, maybe it'll be Oceania with a Zootopia alley?" but that was all mental gymnastics. The thematic precedent that would have set was objectively worse than the thematic precedent Cars sets, where there is at least lip service to the existing organizational structure of the park. Now, if you want to talk about the value of what is being replaced instead of how fundamentally broken each concept was, then I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that Rivers of America are almost certainly more valuable than Dinoland, but that's a bit of a different discussion.

So that would be been less bad then right? Just one measley Zootopia ride hidden from the rest of the park.
 

James Alucobond

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IMO this all started due what Harry Potter did for Universal. Disney saw how well it worked that ever since both Disney and Universal mostly be doing stand alone IP lands and attractions.
The only standalone IP land announced at D23 was for Monsters Inc., at the park where that has become the norm. IP-based attractions have always been part of the parks.
 

Disgruntled Walt

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In the Parks
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AK is the last thematically cohesive park at WDW, the last man standing.
No matter what Joe Rohde said or says publicly, I will always believe he was forced into Avatar for AK. I think if he had the ability to refuse, he would have. Avatar being inserted into Animal Kingdom was the first thing I actively complained about with WDW. I was shocked and incensed when it was announced, and I still resent it taking the place of Beastly Kingdom. (The ultimate act of goodwill, or shall we say, "regruntling" to my fandom would be if they somehow built Beastly Kingdom somewhere in Animal Kingdom.)

Getting back to Cars, the fact is that Frontierland was supposed to be a callback to the 1800s America before motorcars, and this violates that identity. If it were 1910s-style cars, that would be one thing, but there is every indication that this ride takes place in the present day.
 

SamusAranX

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I’m not sure that Joe Rohde dying on this hill created a chain of events that led to the entire ROA being scrapped but I imagine it’s possible. I’d love to know if he feels that was worth it. I understand AK was his baby but losing the ROA and 50+ years of a history is a steep price to pay and let’s not kid ourselves. Something just as bad if not worse than Zootopia land will go to AK one day.
Well, I meant that he got the victory in getting TA over Zootopia/Moana land, but it’s not for long. Disney at some point will want to shoehorn something there that doesn’t belong, and if they aren’t concerned about the other three parks thematically, no imagineer’s protest , existing or former, will be able to dissuade them.
 

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