Sneaky
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I agree. The River and boat itself still had plenty of gas in the tank, but Tom Sawyer Island has been knocking on deaths door since the 2000’s imo
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Rhinocerous
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But that's just, like, your opinion, man.This line keeps popping into my mind!And it does really tie the park together!!
(Mine too.)
Chef idea Mickey`=
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I wouldn't mind if they made just Tom Sawyer Island something else.. Mater's island : kids would love it even more and be so curious to visit!
Chef idea Mickey`=
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Mater's Buck-Tooth Wonderin Island Mud Puddle Tootn Stroll
Uggg....if canceling the "old-American history" theme can satisfy Burbank execs?...yeah, I guess I can be happy with Mater's Island Mudd Puddle re-theme. At least we vould keep this big water feature. Now,...for Liberty Square? How will Burbank try to cancel or re-theme that part?
Uggg....I love classic "America" and I'd really hate to see it go away from WDW. I guees it's all just culturally or socially offensive by Burbank's standards in 2024.
If there is a Heaven and Walt is there looking down at all of this, what would he think?
Starship824
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
Because that's not why they're getting rid of the rivers of america. The RoA and TSI are going away because It's extremely valuable real estate in the most visited theme park on Earth, not because of some weird conspiracy theory that Disney hates America. If Disney really hated America so much, then why would they be building a ride, replacing the rivers of America based off of cars in the Pacific Northwest of America. This idea that Burbank and Bob Iger have a specific vendetta against the entire idea of America is just convoluted and stupid. Not to mention princess and the frog is the which replaced Splash Mountain is in America. In fact, princess Tiana is the first American princess that they made. The rivers of America are going away because they're not popular and they're very expensive to maintain. I don't agree with the decision. In fact, I want them to keep the rivers of America, but the idea that Burbank is getting rid of it because it's themed around America is just not true.
Rhinocerous
Premium Member
To paraphrase a poignant Queen song...
"If there's a (Walt) in the sky looking down
what can he think of what we've done
to the World that he created?"
DisneyHead123
Well-Known Member
Honestly I think the reasoning is that none of that area is IP. Classic non-IP rides may be allowed to stay if they’re popular, but anything that is there primarily for visual reasons has to be an ad for merch in the park stores.
Brer Panther
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Unless you count Pocahontas, I suppose?
Starship824
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
I guess so. I forgot about her.
Steamboat71
Member
I still have faith that they will rework this project to keep part of the river.
Chef idea Mickey`=
Well-Known Member
For some reason something over me is sensing the same even though with Disney done deal seems done deal but that is probably me comparing it to Splash Mountain which that was a reason to do.
Mr. Sullivan
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You’re acting as if they’re ripping any and all reference to Americana out of every Disney park in the world.
It’s one section of one land in one park. As of this moment in time, this idea isn’t carrying over anywhere else.
It’s not that it’s offensive. That isn’t what is guiding this. Its that it isn’t really all that popular with modern audiences. They don’t really care about the wild west, the frontier, cowboys. All that started to fall out of fashion with the general public many years ago and has never rebounded.
Some people still may be interested in it but it’s a small section of people. They rarely even teach about this period in school anymore its of such little interest to most. It just isn’t as intriguing as a tropical adventure, or the future (or retrofuturism) or fantasy and that’s why I don’t think its an accident that this is the land getting overhauled.
I would bet serious money that guest feedback revealed Frontierland to be one of the park’s least popular areas because it’s core theme and concept is not of great interest to visitors anymore.
Fox&Hound
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Even though it pains me, people have this wrong. It’s not “gee why can’t Disney build this cars ride somewhere else and save the rivers of America”. Disney wants to get rid of the rivers of America, and for whatever reason, settled on this IP to do it. It is Splash all over again.
JoeCamel
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But with different motivations, I don't think there is any agenda beyond replacing non revenue generating space with revenue generating space. The boat and the lower island will be a loss but I did a keys tour in 2010? and brought up the small footprint they had to work with while we were in the utilidoor looking at a map of the MK and the guide pointed at the north end of the river......
This has been in the mix for many years
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FettFan
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Sacrificing long-term legacy for short-term gains. Might as well call him Bob Esau at this point.
Chef idea Mickey`=
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They want to say that Splash Mountain was change they was looking into back since 2018. Even if it was, it's since after that it's a non-stop cleaning. Country Bears was saved but basically now they sing Disney and they renamed the character that if the name was so bad they could renamed just before. Then came closing down the shooting arcade in a part of Frontierland that doesn't need to be demolished for expansion turned into a DVC space for crying out loud. One right the other as if knowing if they can toss Splash Mountain and those Animatronics out of the window then they can absolutely anything else. Oh Peter Pan got a modification swap! This stuff isn't in between years, it's all roasting right after the next right after Splash between Splash openings on both coasts.
John park hopper
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It is death by a thousand cuts and it has been going on for years. We who have been to WDW over many years can see it, the recent visitors won't but 10 years from now if they are still going will.
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Epcot81Fan
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Losing ROA is a leg amputation without anesthesia.
Splashin' Ryan
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this is exactly it. Everyone who supports this and justifies it by saying "It's just one area of the park" or "It's just one attraction" are missing the point entirely. These "it's just something small" changes compiled over decades significantly degrade the park experience. It's the same reason the parks are just becoming their own list of IP to experience rather than a cohesive theme. Disney didn't become popular because you could experience the latest hit movie there, they became popular because it was an entire world of one normally cohesive story (yes you could nitpick for days which short-lived show or attraction doesn't fit this idea but still). Unfortunately the new visitors to WDW now only have a shred of what that cohesiveness used to be like so even when you try to explain it to them they simply don't understand what used to exist. It might sound harsh but I genuinely don't think people understand what they like sometimes and what draws them into the parks. Sure you might book that trip to see the newest attraction but the reason you actually feel confident spending the thousands to do so is because you are pining on it being an out-of-this-world experience, not because of that one actual attraction. If the small chinks in the armor of cohesiveness continue over decades, that confidence in spending your money will go down and I think we're already starting to see that.