Poseidon Quest
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So you think 2024 summer numbers are reflected in 2023 yearly numbers?
What gave you that idea?
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What gave you that idea?
Re-read your question to me. You are clearly confused.
JMcMahonEsq
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You can keep saying it, but it doesn’t make it any less stupid. I mean seriously your point is what, comparing 2 businesses, but ignore that one has the most popular park it he world, and then ignore that than business has more offering than the others and by averaging them together, again without MK that they are kinda close?
Walt Disney1955
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Who is ignoring it? I am just saying that the ground that Universal has made in a short time frame is very impressive.
Walt Disney1955
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It is Disney at a less dominant amount than they are used to
No, that is actually not what you have been saying. If that’s all that you had said, nobody would have had any issue with it. What you actually said (over and over and over) is that we should take MK completely out of the equation and then take the average attendance for the remaining parks and that based on that the two companies are “even steven.” And that is just plain absurd. Sorry, but it is.
TalkToEthan
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MK and/or DL Anaheim see significant park hopping and special events which makes me question the totals.
Universal Osaka impresses me much more because it stands alone without shared attendance and got 16 million.
Universal Osaka impresses me much more because it stands alone without shared attendance and got 16 million.
JMcMahonEsq
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No you’re not. All of your BS posts have been saying is ignore one companies best park, and all the attendance, including the increases in attendance at that park. But don’t for some reason exclude the other companies best park. Then don’t consider actual attendance bc even with arbitrarily removing one company’s best park, that company still has more offerings than the other company. So instead you do an average (again with the average not including MK) and come out with some BS about almost being even.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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There’s definitely confusion here…for sure. From those tossing the rocks from inside the glass house
Vegas wouldn’t even lay odds that you would finally surface here! Sooooooooo predictable! Hahahahaha!
Poseidon Quest
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Are you sure? What part are you confused about?
I’m positive. The only one confused here is you, and that’s evident from the question you asked. That’s okay, though.
JMcMahonEsq
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The confusion (I believe) stems from your comment:
"The last report was also really strange to me because I think that they managed to hide how low attendance has been this summer too, which is noticeably even lower in the parks than last year. Maybe 4 million less people from 2019 feels like empty parks because it's been overcrowded for so long, but from what I've observed, I think it's misleading manipulation of the data, using DLR and others around the world to hide a drop-off at WDW in what should have been similar to what Universal reported."
The figures being discussed are the attendance numbers for 2023 not 2024, which would include this summer. So leaving aside the thoughts that somehow WDW is manipulating these figures, How can the use of 2023 data someone be used to hide what your anecdotal opinion of a drop in attendance THIS YEAR
That’s exactly it. He tried to make a point about 2023 attendance by citing to 2024 summer numbers. He’s totally confused, and he doesn’t even get it.
Poseidon Quest
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The first paragraph I wrote refers to TEA 2023 and how I think the numbers are incorrect and I wouldn't put it past Disney to have provided incorrect or manipulated data if TEA had asked for it. The paragraph you just cited is where I go on to talk about how I think the latest earnings report is burying a significant attendance drop at WDW because I see those two things as related. I looked back at what I wrote and I could have been clearer that I was talking about the earnings report, but that wasn't the point of the game. The person who engaged with me is one of those "always moving the goal post" kind of people that you can't make any points with, so I was just taking them in circles until they stopped engaging.
Yeah, ok, whatever you say. Lol! You conflated 2023 and 2024 and despite multiple attempts to bring that to your attention by more than one person here, you still couldn’t follow what you did. And now that you finally get it, you back pedal and make excuses. Just admit that you were wrong and move on.
Also, you think that Disney provided false info but Universal did not? And you base that on zero. Not hard to tell where your bias lies. Too funny.
MickeyLuv'r
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If it helps, I understood what you meant.
It would be great if everyone on this forum could make a little effort to be a little nicer. The constant dumb bickering is a constant drag on having useful discussions. Could we maybe all make an effort of give everyone a little benefit of the doubt? It would be refreshing!
I am also a little skeptical of the report, but in a different way. While my 2023 visits = a microdrop, under G+, I strongly favored hopping to MK most days. To me, that's the only way buying G+ made sense. through hopping, I was able to get twice as many passes from G+, or more than twice as many.
The other 3 parks just don't have enough attractions to make G+ worthwhile. Actually, IMO, HS is barely worth visiting at all. Touring HS has become a frustrating mess. The last time I rode MMRR without a pass, the wait was twice what was posted, and it was excruciating the way the standby line just did not move because only LL users were allowed on the ride. WDW is still highly skewing lines so that the standby waits are as long as they can possibly be, and it is obnoxious. If the ratio of LL was just ever so slightly tweaked towards standby, then the waits would be significantly lower, while the G+ waits would not be minimally impacted.
The only way to make park touring/paying for LL's tolerable, IMO, is to hop to MK, because when I hop, I start out fresh.
In AK for example. Say your prebooked passes are Na'vi, EE and the Safari. After that, what's left? Just Kali and Dinosaur (as long as it stays open). Often enough the wait for both of them stays fairly low. The current waits (8/27 at 2:30pm) are: Dino 10, EE15, Bug 10, Kali 40, Safari 10, Na'vi 40. (The shows can be seen standby.)
If I start booking LL's in MK now, I could book my choice of: BTMRR, Buzz, HM, iasw, PotC, Space Mtn, plus all the attractions that rarely get waits. ( Dumbo, etc.)
It is also easy to see that Disney uses short park hours to manipulate attendance. Closing AK at 5/6pm, and HS at 7pm is a good way to do that.
You understood what he meant? Could you explain it to me then? He cited to attendance from summer 2024 and then questioned me (in a sarcastic way, I might add) as to why I couldn’t see that those summer 2024 numbers were relevant to the report. Of course, what he was missing all along and is still trying to back pedal away from is the fact that the report was for the year 2023.
Walt Disney1955
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So we just ignore the grounds over the last 15 years that Universal has made up all because the Magic Kingdom is still carrying the load for Disney? I can assure you that if we know these numbers and are talking about them then Disney is as well. I am a fan of both theme parks so it doesn't matter to me, I visited both my last trip. But you can't act as if there isn't significant ground made up over the last 15 years. The numbers show it.
Why can’t you get it through your head that literally nobody here is arguing that Universal has not made gains over the years? That, however, doesn’t change the fact that you removing MK from the equation and then trying to average the remaining parks so that you can say the two companies are even steven is just plain ridiculous, if not dishonest. Notwithstanding Universal’s gains, Disney remains the king here. That is a fact demonstrated by the attendance numbers.