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Pi on my Cake

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Part of the problem with any kind of port themed entrance is differentiating it from Port of Entry at Islands of Adventure. That was why someone had suggested not doing it when I mention a similar port idea. Plus, if we go up against the actual water it takes away our chance for the boardwalk.

All that being said, I did love the port idea. We just have to find a way to differentiate it from Islands. And be willing to cut the boardwalk
 

Voxel

President of Progress City
Part of the problem with any kind of port themed entrance is differentiating it from Port of Entry at Islands of Adventure. That was why someone had suggested not doing it when I mention a similar port idea. Plus, if we go up against the actual water it takes away our chance for the boardwalk.

All that being said, I did love the port idea. We just have to find a way to differentiate it from Islands. And be willing to cut the boardwalk
I would have had your back if I saw that idea. LOL. Honestly, Port of Entry is kinda Lame.. It doesn't have a port feel, no smell of salt water air. No port noises. Nothing about it screams port. If your going port, it should almost being "sprawling" with small passageways, Noises, smells, dining. I don't think you necessarily need to see the water. (Unless you go DisneySea Route with lake in the middle). You have the port feel with mast and ships viewable in the distance.. Or maybe junks guest can take a trip out into the Discovery Bay.
 
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D Hulk

Well-Known Member
Honestly, it might be okay, but if we're including Chinese ships it's just going to be full of Junk.
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Could we use junks as park transportation? Think they’d have a visual majesty similar to the Mark Twain. Could be incorporated into the nighttime spectacular too (maybe also a daytime lagoon show).
 

Outbound

Well-Known Member
Apologies for not being active much, I'll be more involved going forward.

I think before we start brainstorming the individual lands we should create the park layout. Maybe it's just me, but I find creating a general map of which land is next to which ensures the park flows together. From what I understand, the list is:
  1. Shangri-La
  2. El Dorado
  3. Atlantis
  4. Antarctica
  5. Camelot
  6. Wakanda
  7. Mt. Olympus
  8. Arabian Lost City
That's a decent amount of lands, but if we're going for very high immersion I think there should be less lost worlds, so you can get a feel for each place. For example, Camelot is cool but has a similar environment to the Mount Olympus foothills, so what if the dragon coaster became a Pegasus coaster? An indoor Antarctica might be viewed as too similar to indoor Atlantis (plus it isn't really a lost world) so maybe they could be merged.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
I like what’s been said so far. I looked up some pictures based on the examples given. May need to see pictures of what exactly you guys are visualizing, but I think it’ll be good.
Here's some good pictures that I think might help!
Another discussion to have right now is deciding on our lands - ideally 5-7 of 'em plus an expansion pad. Each land would have a signature E-ticket and a few additional attractions. My vague thoughts on the potential lands (WORK IN PROGRESS):

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Base camp entry land - A village where explorers leave to discover the lost worlds, home to artifact museums, libraries, supply warehouses and other exploration aides.

Some have discussed doing Old Hong Kong as the entry, to satisfy local nostalgia. Ocean Park basically already has this land. Instead I propose something inspired by vintage Southern China mixed with a bit of Thailand - that's the most popular international destination for Chinese tourists so it holds a familiar appeal. Also a bit of a Himalayan foothill village vibe.

While we're discussing dividing most lands into a "local village" and the "lost world" beyond it, this entry land will be just the former. A nearby "lost world" land serves as its counterpart -

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Shangri-La - Picturing this as set entirely within a lush mountain valley, somewhat like how DisneySea's Mysterious Island is laid out. Accessed from the entry land via mountain passes and tunnels. Maybe make our mountains U-shaped and facing the real mountains north of the site.

Attractions? A variant on Expedition Everest perhaps.

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El Dorado - Initial area is a Latin village set against a lake near the jungles. In the jungles is El Dorado itself, city of gold, which exists mostly as ruins.

The E-ticket could be a boat journey to discover the city similar to Lost World Expedition: The Search for Tarrant Ramn by @mickeyfan5534 (and team?). Around this are winding jungle paths around ruins, including a DAK-style animal trail (Conquistador Trail) following the footsteps of former failed searches for El Dorado. In the village, a Coco attraction.

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Atlantis - Either a Greek coastal setting like Santorini, or someplace in the Caribbean (to justify a POTC ride, which HKDL doesn't have). Either way, located with the village element facing Hong Kong's ocean.

Inland is a major indoors area set in Atlantis, seemingly underwater protected by force fields. Strong option for aquarium elements, which Chinese guests like. Attraction: Submarine simulator like TDS's 20,000 Leagues.

Do we want to reference Atlantis: The Lost Empire in any way whatsoever? Or alternately The Little Mermaid?

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Antarctica - Another good indoor land option (we want 1 or 2 to combat HK heat/humidity). @Evilgidgit has some ideas for this I believe. Maybe a research base set in and around ice caverns, leading to a Hollow Earth interior complete with dinosaurs.

Entry from the lush jungle (all of HKDL inevitably looks like a jungle) could appear like Argentinian glaciers with pathways inside leading "under the ocean" to the Antarctic continent.

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Camelot - Here's a way to bring in old Beastlie Kingdomme ideas if we wish. Like the dragon coaster. Some talk has occurred about a King Arthur dark ride - I'm thinking trackless like Runaway Railway with a similar 2.5-D effect of traveling through stylized medieval manuscripts and tapestries. No extra thought put into this yet. Could be set along the ocean with a Giant's Causeway coastal appearance.

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Lemuria - The Polynesian version of Atlantis, basically. I'm including this as an option if we want to add IPs like Moana and/or Finding Nemo.

To distinguish from Atlantis, the Lemurian city could be recently risen from the seas (with waterfalls simulating receding ocean waters) alongside a quaint coastal village. Ruins could resemble Nan Madol in Micronesia. Faces Hong Kong's ocean and island, naturally.

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Africa - There are two options here.

One is Solomon's Lost City (name?), another jungle-set lost city ruin. Not sure especially how to distinguish that from El Dorado.

Another option is Wakanda. It's certainly a "lost world." That's if we want MCU in this park (there is plenty getting built in HKDL's Tomorrowland). No solid ideas for either land.

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Dhofar - An Arabian lost city (need to research names better - this name turns out is a real city in Oman). An option for representing a different culture in a unique desert setting, with inspirations maybe from Petra, Babylon, Egypt, and the Wadi Rum desert. No additional ideas for this one yet. Disney's Aladdin elements?

Greece - If Atlantis isn't Greek, or if we want to explore this topic further, we could do something like Mt. Olympus. Tied in with Disney's Hercules to an extent perhaps?

IP-wise, either S.E.A. or Indiana Jones could be applied to any of these lands if they need something extra.

Just my ramblings. Something for discussion.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Apologies for not being active much, I'll be more involved going forward.

I think before we start brainstorming the individual lands we should create the park layout. Maybe it's just me, but I find creating a general map of which land is next to which ensures the park flows together. From what I understand, the list is:
  1. Shangri-La
  2. El Dorado
  3. Atlantis
  4. Antarctica
  5. Camelot
  6. Wakanda
  7. Mt. Olympus
  8. Arabian Lost City
That's a decent amount of lands, but if we're going for very high immersion I think there should be less lost worlds, so you can get a feel for each place. For example, Camelot is cool but has a similar environment to the Mount Olympus foothills, so what if the dragon coaster became a Pegasus coaster? An indoor Antarctica might be viewed as too similar to indoor Atlantis (plus it isn't really a lost world) so maybe they could be merged.
Personally I think we can ax Antarctica and Wakanda - as Antarctica was already in SeaWorld and as much as I like Black Panther, I feel we have more creative flexibility with the other options in terms of land design, rather than having to go off of what the film provided as the land's backdrop.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Personally I think we can ax Antarctica and Wakanda - as Antarctica was already in SeaWorld and as much as I like Black Panther, I feel we have more creative flexibility with the other options in terms of land design, rather than having to go off of what the film provided as the land's backdrop.
Also wasn't Wakanda described in the film as explorers seeking El Dorado, thinking it was in South America when really it's in Africa? So to me that would be a duplicate land
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Part of the problem with any kind of port themed entrance is differentiating it from Port of Entry at Islands of Adventure. That was why someone had suggested not doing it when I mention a similar port idea. Plus, if we go up against the actual water it takes away our chance for the boardwalk.

All that being said, I did love the port idea. We just have to find a way to differentiate it from Islands. And be willing to cut the boardwalk
Hong Kong doesn't have a 'Disney Springs' type shopping area - what if that become the Boardwalk along with a hotel? (Sorry @Voxel knows my Boardwalk hotel enthusiasm is at its peak right now haha)
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Personally I think we can ax Antarctica and Wakanda - as Antarctica was already in SeaWorld and as much as I like Black Panther, I feel we have more creative flexibility with the other options in terms of land design, rather than having to go off of what the film provided as the land's backdrop.
I hate to break it.. but Mt. Olympus is a difficult concept to pull off. While it is the home of the gods, it's also a mountain with no city.. Dion was where the city and temple to Zeus was.
Agreed I'd also ax that - start simple with a few very well fleshed out lands, and then expand if needed. Mt. Olympus has also been done many times on the forums (I know to new members it hasn't) but from past concepts it's basically the same thing each time....try to include Hercules and mythos and build a mountain
 

Voxel

President of Progress City
Agreed I'd also ax that - start simple with a few very well fleshed out lands, and then expand if needed. Mt. Olympus has also been done many times on the forums (I know to new members it hasn't) but from past concepts it's basically the same thing each time....try to include Hercules and mythos and build a mountain
For naming if you want mythos.. For Arab lost lands your looking at the Iram of the Pillars legends.


I also believe there is a lost Civilization of Ethiopia. I'm trying to find infromation on that.
 

D Hulk

Well-Known Member
For Mt. Olympus, someone earlier (sorry forget who) proposed folding it into the Atlantis land - seeing as they're both Greek. So if we're still keen on stuff like incorporating the Hercules cartoon or the Muppets Greek stage show (the latter is something I'm a big fan of), we can still do those.

Wakanda works as a slightly more sci-fi land which still keeps the park's theme. (@spacemt354 tries quoting Ulysses Klau of all people to discredit Wakanda, which is silly talk.) Plus, Wakanda satisfies our desire for an African lost world while doing something different.
 

Voxel

President of Progress City
(Also random idea if you go with lake) Utilize the Mytho of Altantis and Plato Description
For Mt. Olympus, someone earlier (sorry forget who) proposed folding it into the Atlantis land - seeing as they're both Greek. So if we're still keen on stuff like incorporating the Hercules cartoon or the Muppets Greek stage show (the latter is something I'm a big fan of), we can still do those.

Cough Cough Egpytian Cough.

Plato got the story from the Egyptians. But kinda the same. If you want I can show you the the trace of Artistic and story motifs from Ethiopia to Egypt to Knossos to the Greek.
 

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