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  1. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    what the heck is going on today? japan never had a lockdown (the PM doesn't have the authority to order one), never had a mask mandate. our world in data rates (on a 0-to-100 scale, 100 being the strictest) japan a 35.19 on the COVID government response stringency index. the USA is 66.2.
  2. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    are...you freakin kidding me? you're wrong. sorry, no more nuanced comment than that. herd immunity IS THE WHOLE REASON VACCINATION PROGRAMS WORK.
  3. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    herd immunity isn't a theory. herd immunity is a scientific fact, just like gravity. any vaccination strategy ALSO relies on herd immunity. it is not a "fringe theory." this article you posted is not only bias garbage, it's fundamentally wrong. it cites tom friedman (google him and see how...
  4. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    what...are you talking about? the subject was covid deaths, which -- in case you've been living under a rock for the past eight months -- have a HUGE age gradient to them, not to mention a disproportional effect on sicker, frailer patients. you don't think a country's age and underlying health...
  5. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    this is a really flawed argument. we're "more similar" to australia, which is in a different hemisphere (thus different flu and coronavirus season), is less populated, and is a nation that consists entirely of islands. "european nations" is a pretty big net to cast. what i'm saying is that...
  6. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    comparing countries is not particularly useful, based on a number of factors that include virus seasonality and when peak infection occurred, cohort make up (age a primary driver), underlying health. but if you choose to, there's a lot of nuance you have to consider, probably most notably that...
  7. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    and that's where we arrive at the crux of this whole thing, right? for a time (and still, in some states), we're doing that for everyone. making the risk determination for people, making people call everyone they know they they're getting tested, etc. which is why some pivoted to the civil...
  8. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    well, this is all optional, except for testing at nursing home and ACF, which is where the virus does the most harm. but what you're saying is going to be a problem in general, right? that's what we saw in the spring. exposure can't really be prevented, it can be limited. so limit it for the...
  9. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    not isolate. protect. here would be the pillars of that plan: - all workers over the age of 60 to work from home, if they can - all workers with a qualifying pre-existing condition (we know now just being obese or having asthma doesn't make covid a death sentence. it's really bad when...
  10. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    yup, it's big. biden and fauci's "dark winter" comments have been based on combating COVID and the flu at the same time. while it's tempting to ascribe this to non-pharmaceutical interventions, there is evidence, dating back to the '09 h1n1 pandemic, that viruses compete and the dominant one...
  11. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    instead of a $1,200 check and indiscriminate shut downs, an emergency paid sick leave program back in march and april would have been a fantastic idea.
  12. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    agreed with both of you. i think it will definitely be interpreted as a gloom-and-doom scenario, but all i really think it does it confirm what we suspect: antibodies are a small piece of the puzzle.
  13. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    i want to post this, because i think this is indicative of the media completely whiffing on the top-level finding: https://twitter.com/i/events/1321023718022209537 twitter's synopsis: "According to a study, which is not yet peer-reviewed, conducted by researchers at Imperial College London...
  14. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    yeah, i have found this to be the more common experience. i'm in NY and we had parents literally protesting by the hundreds to allow their kids be given the option to be in school five days a week. in our district, they brought all the elementary schools back full time earlier this month. a...
  15. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    actually, no you can't know they "happen in schools" unless you can isolate the index case. and trust me, if you could find index cases in schools that led to 800 cases, it would be front page news everywhere. am i surprised many parents (i'm sure the bulk of whom are middle-to-upper-middle...
  16. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    right, but let's not get pedantic about the term "lockdown." restrictions do just as much harm. let's just go with this one: school closures. we've knew for months from observing data from europe and asia that schools were not a factor in furthering the spread of COVID. but we hemmed and hawed...
  17. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    the question that no one can seem to get past here (because of politics) is: what laws/temporary restrictions ACTUALLY contribute to the greater good? that's the problem. and people don't want to face it, because the case made by some politicians is masked in virtue: just wear this, just stay...
  18. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    maybe. i guess that's the way to look at it from a more cynical point of view. but he's either a wannabe fascist or a hapless finger pointer. in this case, i don't think he can be both (lol or maybe he can, he's full of surprises!). i guess my only complaint with the idea that -- while he's...
  19. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    well, trump could have seized emergency powers in march when many people on both sides of the aisle were begging him to. maybe he wanted to (he might have. he probably did). but ultimately, he deferred to the states because of their constitutional rights. so yeah, i think this administration --...
  20. baymenxpac

    Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

    i agree with that premise, i would just hesitate to say correlation is causation in this. it could be, but i don't think we have enough data or proof. the nature of covid seems to be clear: it spreads through an area, reaches about a measurable infection rate of 15-to-20%, then fizzles...
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