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So how does that work again exactly? Are we back to immaculate conception via Rio magic? But that seems rather contradictory too... that she sucks at the task and her own creation gets tagged to die at birth? Agatha's defense cry out at the moment doesn't make much sense there either. Or is...

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I did in fact (that its from the source material) - just not maybe in a reply directly to you Eta: if you mean your point “the Witches' Road was super gay in its aesthetics and conception” I don’t agree with it… but it’s your opinion. I wasn’t going to be able to say anything that wouldn’t...

I get your clarification (afterwards) - but do me the same respect and accept my explanation of my posts when challenged verse insisting I have some ill intent. You acknowledge your statement was about the show more generally… and so was my response… which i elaborated on what i meant when...

Oh jesus man… i never said they weren’t former lovers. Your barking up the wrong tree. Relationships are more complex that ‘involved’ or not… as well as decisions they were making. Were they a thing when nicky was born? If not, what wax that situation? Who felt in the right or wrong? Why...

Well that’s why i am engaging in a discussion… asking questions and saying what i thought or took away… not trying to be an authority on the subject and shutdown other takes. Discussion…. I don’t buy into the mother reference alone… that was something that seemed to even surprise her at the...

Yeah… How dare i elaborate on MY THOUGHTS behind my words? Am i supposed to be explaining yours?? You said ‘queer representation’… of which there was more than one in the show. Sorry discussion of the show encompassed more than Joe. And a two line “joe was great” post really doesn’t pin...

How about just providing that cite instead of ‘trust me bro’? Would be much easier and more convincing

The whole ghost thing… verse simply accepting death as an end. The ghost route did not seem to be a surprise to her.. but instead a path chosen to get to continue with billy while getting death off their back. The whole thing felt like ‘escaping being cornered’ - not closure around nicky. So...

The post that i replied too - https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/spoiler-agatha-all-along-d-premier-9-18-24.984746/post-11085175 Joe locke’s performance was not part of that post, nor had it been discussed in the thread for days or pages before it. I wasn’t speaking to other discussions that...

Rio’s character is setup like a vixen… even during the early episodes when under the spell. There is sexual tension between them throughout… not just two old acquaintances with an ax to grind. They weren’t just a team or something… it’s setup to be a conflict of emotions and passions - not...

Or people are not reading what was actually said. I made a comment and have been defending that opinion. If someone wants to argue something else… well that’s on them. We don’t know … maybe there are other debts? These two obviously do not live the same kind of lives we know. It’s left...

If someone were praising it for being specifically that while i thought that element didn’t deserve that praise… yes. The whole relationship was core to the intrigue in the plot progression and receal… including the significance of a child… yet… they instead focused on making the characters...

And in the conversation about disney “staying true” i took note that it wasn’t from the source. So in that tangent… the added diversity was notable… and in my opinion… forced. That’s speculation on a lot… that was largely left open in the show. As previously mentioned… i wish that dynamic...

And wanda/rio? That’s what i was more referring to.

You keep referring to “original plans” or “modify” - yet you acknowledge you don’t know the story’s development at all… Just say it as it is… they were willing to use and promote gay characters.

Note my edit… I stand by my point. The relationships and the sexuality of them seem gratuitous in relation to the story. You can celebrate inclusion all you want… but it still seemed forced here.

Modify or cancel? Were these relationships part of the source material? Or were they added as part of this writer’s story? Sounds like they were added to me… Note i said relationships… i questioned why they were necessary… or their value. Highlighting the sexuality as inclusion just seems...

Yet still largely used here for what almost feels gratuitous show off. Neither relationship did much of anything for the story…. We find that agatha is more concerned with nicky… not rio herself. Yet the love line is for what? And teens love interest… gay for what? Balance? Awkward...

I don't think it's as broad as SW vs MCU But you could say 'Jedi characters vs Witches we only knew from another MCU show' :D