Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[wdrive]

No one said anyone is lying. I just think context matters here. And without presenting said document to see that context its really hard to take an anonymous person on faith that basically says "just trust me". Because for all we know the interpretation being made here is being made in a way that wasn't intended.

Also again if these documents can't be shared then why have so many people on this site then supposedly seen them? Clearly they are being shared, but only if "you're worthy and in the club". And on top of that, we know that people on the internet even if they aren't lying like to exaggerate for effect. So while I don't doubt that this point that some document exists, I do doubt the intent of said document, at least how its being presented here.

Well, I’ve said enough. I haven’t exaggerated anything, if anything I’ve underplayed it.

I guess it’s the name of the game on an online forum, we’re all anonymous people. That’s why you can get some good info on here

 

[Disney Irish]

Well, I’ve said enough. I haven’t exaggerated anything, if anything I’ve underplayed it.

I guess it’s the name of the game on an online forum, we’re all anonymous people. That’s why you can get some good info on here

I mean sure, we all come here for some info. And its up to each and everyone of us to determine for ourselves how much we want to believe from the anonymous people on here.

For me I take pretty much everything said here with a huge truck load of salt until its proven true or false. Most stuff like this I take as just gossip that is put through a bias filter of the person presenting it. Sure there maybe some truth to it, but a large portion of it is slanted based on how the person wants to present it.

 

[Professortango1]

Can you share these "internal documents", I mean if you saw them they must be accessible somehow so the rest of us can see them too right? Not that I don't believe you, well actually I don't as rumors talked about on sites like this tend to be 95-99% overblown and taken out of context of their original intent. Which I think is more to the point here, people take these things out of context and then assume they know why things are done and then rumors start flying around.

Also if he isn't suppose to be related to anything Voodoo why would even up until last year in the parade he has performers acting as zombies, a big part of the Voodoo lore, preceding him.

Zombies in "voodoo" lore isn't at all like the zombies which are portrayed by Disney or media.

But Disney is softening a little and trying stuff out with Facilier. A friend designed a new magic experience centered around him for the Disney Cruise Line, so Disney is starting to toy with it in certain small controlled markets and gauge response.

And yes, there was an internal command to not add him to anything new for awhile as well as also steering far away from the fictional/racist depictions of "voodoo."

 

[Professortango1]

Crazy how everyone has seen these I guess lol

Many of us theme park fans are also entertainment industry people. Entertainment industry tends to work with Disney or have direct contact with friends who do/have. Knowing some of the creatives behind some theme park events/shows; that's how I first heard about Disney trying to walk away from the stickiness of misrepresenting a marginalized religious group due to concerns over optics or further backlash.

 

[Parteecia]

My completely uninformed crackpot guess is that their choice to make the ride light and conflict-free was to widen its appeal. Easier for those who like a thrilling log ride to convince those who may be on the fence to join them (think leery children). Those who would prefer more narrative tension will most likely still ride it and enjoy the drops even as they grumble. More riders added than lost.

 

[mickEblu]

My completely uninformed crackpot guess is that their choice to make the ride light and conflict-free was to widen its appeal. Easier for those who like a thrilling log ride to convince those who may be on the fence to join them (think leery children). Those who would prefer more narrative tension will most likely still ride it and enjoy the drops even as they grumble. More riders added than lost.

IMO no riders were added or lost. Nobody was avoiding Splash Mountain because of the two vultures and Brer Fox’s shadow. Lol. If anyone, especially kids, were avoiding it they were avoiding it because of the drop.

 

[Ghost93]

My thoughts on the whole "is Dr. Facilier being banned?" discussion is that Disney knows he is a popular villain, and has continued to use him in the parks and in merchandise. I've never seen evidence that Disney has mandated the character be scrubbed from the company. HOWEVER, they also know he could potentially become controversial one day due to the way Voodoo (a real religion) is depicted with his character.

So I think what the company will continue to do is exploit the character where they can, but in ways that are not too expensive to quickly and quietly remove him should he ever become a lightning rod for controversy. After having to spend more than a $100 million to retheme Splash due to controversial aspects of that ride, I think Disney was wary of investing millions of dollars in a permanent attraction/ride around Facilier.

However, Disney probably (and rightly) feels that there is little financial risk to including Facilier in parades, Halloween shows, meet and greets, firework and light displays and merchandise. If people complained significantly about any of his appearances in this capacity, the company could easily swap him out with another villain at a relatively low cost.

I think Facilier will show up in villains land in meet and greets and shows. If he appears in a ride, it will likely just be one animatronic, where he would be one of many villains. I can't see him being given a heavy spotlight in a ride where he's the central antagonist.

I think Pocahontas — a much more controversial character than Facilier — is being similarly used by the Disney company. She's prominently featured in various shows — such as Fantastic — but should her movie ever become the social media villain of the day, Disney can easily withdraw her from the parks. Wheras if they had rethemed Splash Mountain to Pocahontas — like some people wanted back in 2020 — they would be left with a major headache.

 

[Parteecia]

IMO no riders were added or lost. Nobody was avoiding Splash Mountain because of the two vultures and Brer Fox’s shadow. Lol. If anyone, especially kids, were avoiding it they were avoiding it because of the drop.

But now the drop is wrapped in happy. No foreboding, just whee, fun! If that helps persuade some that's more than before.

 

[mickEblu]

But now the drop is wrapped in happy. No foreboding, just whee, fun! If that helps persuade some that's more than before.

 

[EagleScout610]

Off a POV from yesterday, the waterfall after the splashdown is still turned off and the rocks are still neon orange. I truly don't have words for this. If the waterfall effect isn't returning, can they at least paint it brown and throw some moss on it?

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

Off a POV from yesterday, the waterfall after the splashdown is still turned off and the rocks are still neon orange. I truly don't have words for this. If the waterfall effect isn't returning, can they at least paint it brown and throw some moss on it?
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I've given up on TBA. Disney certainly has.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Off a POV from yesterday, the waterfall after the splashdown is still turned off and the rocks are still neon orange. I truly don't have words for this. If the waterfall effect isn't returning, can they at least paint it brown and throw some moss on it?
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This is embarrassing and its the perfect indicator of where the company is! BAD SHOW DISNEY!

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I've given up on TBA. Disney certainly has.

I gave up on it the moment it was announced. It's one of the reasons I became disgruntled.

 

[Figments Friend]

Off a POV from yesterday, the waterfall after the splashdown is still turned off and the rocks are still neon orange. I truly don't have words for this. If the waterfall effect isn't returning, can they at least paint it brown and throw some moss on it?
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Wow….

So a little bit of ‘Splash Mountain’ lives on then…?
Yay!

Looking at this photo, I am thinking three things besides the above -

1. - They ran outta paint.
2. - They had the paint, but someone was lazy and decided it didn’t need to be painted since the water will cover that area.
3. - It was indeed painted, but the chlorinated / chemical make up of the moving water stripped the paint off, revealing the original paint job.

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[wityblack]

Zombies in "voodoo" lore isn't at all like the zombies which are portrayed by Disney or media.

But Disney is softening a little and trying stuff out with Facilier. A friend designed a new magic experience centered around him for the Disney Cruise Line, so Disney is starting to toy with it in certain small controlled markets and gauge response.

And yes, there was an internal command to not add him to anything new for awhile as well as also steering far away from the fictional/racist depictions of "voodoo."

Terrible timing to have a temporary ban on him when you're designing a Princess and the Frog ride.

 

[VicariousCorpse]

Off a POV from yesterday, the waterfall after the splashdown is still turned off and the rocks are still neon orange. I truly don't have words for this. If the waterfall effect isn't returning, can they at least paint it brown and throw some moss on it?
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This is weird. HAS there even been a waterfall there since it has been Tiana's? I looked at a couple POV's from opening day and there was no waterfall, but it is painted correctly... The orange looks very bright to me and looks like they painted over the new stuff rather than the new paint being stripped away. You can see the abrupt stop to the orange in spots like they were using a roller maybe. I didn't look very long, but the bright orange has been there at least 4 months out in the open.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

I asked about this months ago as it was a nice aspet of the area and seemingly removed.

I can say during one of my visits in the past couple of months, that yes it HAS been on. I recall commenting "Oh good, I'm glad they actually kept it!"

Edit- but holy crap I don't recall seeinf that huge blob of orange. They obviously have a leak somewhere and are trying to seal it by going "paint everything!".

 

[chadwpalm]

This is weird. HAS there even been a waterfall there since it has been Tiana's? I looked at a couple POV's from opening day and there was no waterfall, but it is painted correctly... The orange looks very bright to me and looks like they painted over the new stuff rather than the new paint being stripped away. You can see the abrupt stop to the orange in spots like they were using a roller maybe. I didn't look very long, but the bright orange has been there at least 4 months out in the open.

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Yes.

Taken from this video which was posted about 3 months ago. I've seen videos of it being on before and after the terrible paint job. It's off more than on....kinda like the Tiana AA in the finale.

 

[chadwpalm]

Looking at this photo, I am thinking three things besides the above -

1. - They ran outta paint.

Looking at VicariousCorpse's picture above it was definitely painted before they repainted it with the solid puke orange (probably left over from Splash). This can be verified through all of the opening weekend videos from prominent YouTubers.

2. - They had the paint, but someone was lazy and decided it didn’t need to be painted since the water will cover that area.

It's not puke orange because they didn't finish painting. It was already painted correctly and they painted the puke orange over it. Also, in my post above it is clear that even with the water on it still looks like crap and doesn't really cover it up.

3. - It was indeed painted, but the chlorinated / chemical make up of the moving water stripped the paint off, revealing the original paint job.

No. There is a distinct transition from one week (or maybe even day) to another. This was talked about previously and I remember someone pointing it out immediately after it was repainted.

In summary, TBA definitely opened with a correctly painted waterfall, probably left over from the Splash era. It was a couple weeks later after opening that it suddenly got painted the puke orange.

 

[Figments Friend]

Thanks for the clarification.

Then it is indeed strange that the decision was made to repaint what was already there previously.

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