Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[wdrive]

No one said anyone is lying. I just think context matters here. And without presenting said document to see that context its really hard to take an anonymous person on faith that basically says "just trust me". Because for all we know the interpretation being made here is being made in a way that wasn't intended.

Also again if these documents can't be shared then why have so many people on this site then supposedly seen them? Clearly they are being shared, but only if "you're worthy and in the club". And on top of that, we know that people on the internet even if they aren't lying like to exaggerate for effect. So while I don't doubt that this point that some document exists, I do doubt the intent of said document, at least how its being presented here.

Well, I’ve said enough. I haven’t exaggerated anything, if anything I’ve underplayed it.

I guess it’s the name of the game on an online forum, we’re all anonymous people. That’s why you can get some good info on here

 

[Disney Irish]

Well, I’ve said enough. I haven’t exaggerated anything, if anything I’ve underplayed it.

I guess it’s the name of the game on an online forum, we’re all anonymous people. That’s why you can get some good info on here

I mean sure, we all come here for some info. And its up to each and everyone of us to determine for ourselves how much we want to believe from the anonymous people on here.

For me I take pretty much everything said here with a huge truck load of salt until its proven true or false. Most stuff like this I take as just gossip that is put through a bias filter of the person presenting it. Sure there maybe some truth to it, but a large portion of it is slanted based on how the person wants to present it.

 

[Professortango1]

Can you share these "internal documents", I mean if you saw them they must be accessible somehow so the rest of us can see them too right? Not that I don't believe you, well actually I don't as rumors talked about on sites like this tend to be 95-99% overblown and taken out of context of their original intent. Which I think is more to the point here, people take these things out of context and then assume they know why things are done and then rumors start flying around.

Also if he isn't suppose to be related to anything Voodoo why would even up until last year in the parade he has performers acting as zombies, a big part of the Voodoo lore, preceding him.

Zombies in "voodoo" lore isn't at all like the zombies which are portrayed by Disney or media.

But Disney is softening a little and trying stuff out with Facilier. A friend designed a new magic experience centered around him for the Disney Cruise Line, so Disney is starting to toy with it in certain small controlled markets and gauge response.

And yes, there was an internal command to not add him to anything new for awhile as well as also steering far away from the fictional/racist depictions of "voodoo."

 

[Professortango1]

Crazy how everyone has seen these I guess lol

Many of us theme park fans are also entertainment industry people. Entertainment industry tends to work with Disney or have direct contact with friends who do/have. Knowing some of the creatives behind some theme park events/shows; that's how I first heard about Disney trying to walk away from the stickiness of misrepresenting a marginalized religious group due to concerns over optics or further backlash.

 

[Parteecia]

My completely uninformed crackpot guess is that their choice to make the ride light and conflict-free was to widen its appeal. Easier for those who like a thrilling log ride to convince those who may be on the fence to join them (think leery children). Those who would prefer more narrative tension will most likely still ride it and enjoy the drops even as they grumble. More riders added than lost.

 

[mickEblu]

My completely uninformed crackpot guess is that their choice to make the ride light and conflict-free was to widen its appeal. Easier for those who like a thrilling log ride to convince those who may be on the fence to join them (think leery children). Those who would prefer more narrative tension will most likely still ride it and enjoy the drops even as they grumble. More riders added than lost.

IMO no riders were added or lost. Nobody was avoiding Splash Mountain because of the two vultures and Brer Fox’s shadow. Lol. If anyone, especially kids, were avoiding it they were avoiding it because of the drop.

 

[Ghost93]

My thoughts on the whole "is Dr. Facilier being banned?" discussion is that Disney knows he is a popular villain, and has continued to use him in the parks and in merchandise. I've never seen evidence that Disney has mandated the character be scrubbed from the company. HOWEVER, they also know he could potentially become controversial one day due to the way Voodoo (a real religion) is depicted with his character.

So I think what the company will continue to do is exploit the character where they can, but in ways that are not too expensive to quickly and quietly remove him should he ever become a lightning rod for controversy. After having to spend more than a $100 million to retheme Splash due to controversial aspects of that ride, I think Disney was wary of investing millions of dollars in a permanent attraction/ride around Facilier.

However, Disney probably (and rightly) feels that there is little financial risk to including Facilier in parades, Halloween shows, meet and greets, firework and light displays and merchandise. If people complained significantly about any of his appearances in this capacity, the company could easily swap him out with another villain at a relatively low cost.

I think Facilier will show up in villains land in meet and greets and shows. If he appears in a ride, it will likely just be one animatronic, where he would be one of many villains. I can't see him being given a heavy spotlight in a ride where he's the central antagonist.

I think Pocahontas — a much more controversial character than Facilier — is being similarly used by the Disney company. She's prominently featured in various shows — such as Fantastic — but should her movie ever become the social media villain of the day, Disney can easily withdraw her from the parks. Wheras if they had rethemed Splash Mountain to Pocahontas — like some people wanted back in 2020 — they would be left with a major headache.

 

[Parteecia]

IMO no riders were added or lost. Nobody was avoiding Splash Mountain because of the two vultures and Brer Fox’s shadow. Lol. If anyone, especially kids, were avoiding it they were avoiding it because of the drop.

But now the drop is wrapped in happy. No foreboding, just whee, fun! If that helps persuade some that's more than before.

 

[mickEblu]

But now the drop is wrapped in happy. No foreboding, just whee, fun! If that helps persuade some that's more than before.