Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[BrianLo]

Less scary for the ride with a 50 foot drop? Surely you see how illogical this sounds right?

Yes, that’s my point. Tiana is illogical and would have not been the ride they would have designed from scratch.

Making the drop less ominous makes it less scary. I do think the whole ride is less scary than how Splash did it. I understand you’d prefer the Facilier version, I think I would too. It would make a bit more sense narratively for him to shrink us, which backfires because we find more band members.

I also think Moana was a victim of Tiana in Magic Kingdom.

 

[Disney Irish]

Less scary for the ride with a 50 foot drop? Surely you see how illogical this sounds right? A five year old kid would be much more scared of a 50 foot drop than some character in a movie theyve seen a million times. One is new to them and one isn’t.

I mean they have done everything that can do make the drop look less scary and ominous from even the outside. So why does that seem to not be plausible to you?

 

[mickEblu]

Yes, that’s my point. Tiana is illogical and would have not been the ride they would have designed from scratch.

Making the drop less ominous makes it less scary. I do think the whole ride is less scary than how Splash did it. I understand you’d prefer the Facilier version, I think I would too. It would make a bit more sense narratively for him to shrink us, which backfires because we find more band members.

I also think Moana was a victim of Tiana in Magic Kingdom.

The GSAT’s would have been higher with Facilier across the board but particularly with adults. I don’t see how GSAT’s can’t be high for a 10 minute fun, thrilling log ride at Disneyland. I’d need to see what they were for Splash in its first year and what they are compared to other attractions. Particularly other E ticket attractions in their “first” year before I put any stock in those scores.

 

[mickEblu]

I mean they have done everything that can do make the drop look less scary and ominous from even the outside. So why does that seem to not be plausible to you?

I know they did. But that was more to solve the “ no mountains in the bayou” issue. Whole thing is a mess. Also I didn’t say what Brian Lo said was false. I said it was illogical. I wouldn’t put it past them.

 

[BrianLo]

The GSAT’s would have been higher with Facilier across the board but particularly with adults. I don’t see how GSAT’s can’t be high for a 10 minute fun, thrilling log ride at Disneyland. I’d need to see what they were for Splash in its first year and what they are compared to other attractions. Particularly other E ticket attractions in their “first” year before I put any stock in those scores.

Hard to say! But yes our target demographic likely would rate the Facilier one higher. I don’t know about little kids. They made a decision though based on what the team felt would be better.

GSATs seem to be pretty stable and-or increase somewhat with time. Particularly as lines lighten. Bad attractions start bad. For example Villains Con in Orlando is one of the least favoured attractions across both companies portfolios.

As you say, it’s a ten minute musical romp. It would be hard for it to be rated poorly.

 

[Chi84]

Lol, ok. So can you answer the question since the other two won't?

If these are recent documents are real and recent, and they aren't suppose to be referencing voodoo at all because they are "censoring" the character, then why were zombie walkers, or "dolls", preceding him in the parade even as recent as last year. That would be a direct reference to voodoo. So again doesn't make sense if we are to believe what they are saying is true.

Posters are saying they saw something but it’s not public so it can’t be verified.

If you know what their position is with Disney, that might add to their credibility. Otherwise you just have to compare what they’re saying with what you’re seeing and judge credibility based on that.

No different than any other claims on the internet.

 

[Disney Irish]

I know they did. But that was more to solve the “ no mountains in the bayou” issue. Whole thing is a mess. Also I didn’t say what Brian Lo said was false. I said it was illogical. I wouldn’t put it past them.

I mean both things can be true. Also as you like to state that Disney does things that are illogical in the Parks all the time, just add this to the list.

 

[Disney Irish]

Posters are saying they saw something but it’s not public so it can’t be verified.

If you know what their position is with Disney, that might add to their credibility. Otherwise you just have to compare what they’re saying with what you’re seeing and judge credibility based on that.

No different than any other claims on the internet.

I'm aware, which is why I poised the questions I did.

 

[mickEblu]

I mean both things can be true. Also as you like to state that Disney does things that are illogical in the Parks all the time, just add this to the list.

Yes many things can be true. I imagine the thinking went like this…

1. Facilier can’t be in this ride no matter what
2. So then let’s go all in on the happy / celebration vibes then. We can’t add some unknown antagonist that could possibly compare.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes many things can be true. I imagine the thinking went like this…

1. Facilier can’t be in this ride no matter what
2. So then let’s go all in on the happy / celebration vibes then. We can’t add some unknown antagonist that could possibly compare.

Sure, and I'm sure the underlying reasons for both will vary depending on who you ask within the company or even the project team, none of which go beyond this project.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I will say this, if they really are trying to tone down the character by removing references to voodoo they are doing a terrible job. There are still references left and right in relation to the character.

Nobody will argue with you on that. We’re talking about the same company that tried to purge Zipadeedoodah from the parks…and left 4 different versions of it playing in different areas of the resorts. They’re so bad at censoring stuff for over sensitivity, and nobody really cares anyways. One wonders why they even bother?

 

[Disney Irish]

Nobody will argue with you on that. We’re talking about the same company that tried to purge Zipadeedoodah from the parks…and left 4 different versions of it playing in different areas of the resorts. They’re so bad at censoring stuff for over sensitivity, and nobody really cares anyways. One wonders why they even bother?

Well obviously someone cares if there really was a company wide initiative, which I still doubt at this point. Multiple things just point to this being just specific to TBA rather than it being a company wide initiative. And even if they are trying to tone things down in some regards, its probably not as wide spread as you are made to believe.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Within the last year. Active documents. References TBA a lot. We have mutual friends.

Can I join the club?! I am Walt, after all.

 

[TalkToEthan]

Not that they can’t work around it and of course 99% of people wouldn’t care at all.

So we tell the 1% if you can’t deal with it then opt out.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Lol, ok. So can you answer the question since the other two won't?

If these are recent documents are real and recent, and they aren't suppose to be referencing voodoo at all because they are "censoring" the character, then why were zombie walkers, or "dolls", preceding him in the parade even as recent as last year. That would be a direct reference to voodoo. So again doesn't make sense if we are to believe what they are saying is true.

If this is accurate (and I'm not saying it is or it isn't), then I want full credit for being the first person to point out that they would screw up the Splash-redo because they set the precedent of no shrunken heads when they removed Trader Sam from the Jungle Cruise and they would look like hypocrites if they used the natural-fit Dr. Facilier musical number on the final accent ...

I semi-joking, semi-seriously think I'm going to start taking credit for Dr. Facilier not being in the ride because when they first announced the project, I pointed out (on this very message board) that Disney had just declared Trader Sam to be offensive because of his shrunken heads (which meant he had to go), so that meant Dr. Facilier had to be verboten, too. I was kidding at the time, of course, because everyone knows Disney makes this BS up as it goes along, but I'm starting to believe that's why the character was shunned.

It's okay though because I'm sure the expert Imagineers responsible for the do-over couldn't find any references to voodoo when they took their vacation research trip to New Orleans.

 

[wdrive]

Can you share these "internal documents", I mean if you saw them they must be accessible somehow so the rest of us can see them too right? Not that I don't believe you, well actually I don't as rumors talked about on sites like this tend to be 95-99% overblown and taken out of context of their original intent. Which I think is more to the point here, people take these things out of context and then assume they know why things are done and then rumors start flying around.

Also if he isn't suppose to be related to anything Voodoo why would even up until last year in the parade he has performers acting as zombies, a big part of the Voodoo lore, preceding him.

No one’s going to share these internal documents online. But yes they do exist and heavily censor lots of things from the movie.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

Crazy how everyone has seen these I guess lol

 

[Disney Irish]

No one’s going to share these internal documents online. But yes they do exist and heavily censor lots of things from the movie.

For something that is suppose to be a secret and can't be shared I guess its not a very well kept secret and shared with lots of people if now it appears dozens or more people on this site has seen it.

I'm sure "some" document exists, because in a company the size of Disney's some CM probably typed something up at one point like an email. But what it says could very well be taken way out of context and is trying to pawned off as being something more than it was. Given the discussion in this thread today its more likely whatever this document says was specific to TBA only and not a company wide initiative as it trying to be claimed.

 

[wdrive]

Given the discussion in this thread today its more likely whatever this document says was specific to TBA only and not a company wide initiative as it trying to be claimed.

They’re not, at the least the ones I’m talking about.

However you seem certain in your stance that me and others are making up lies on the internet for fun. It’s a shame we’re at that point in society in general. If not you I hope others enjoy the wisdom we share.

 

[Disney Irish]

They’re not, at the least the ones I’m talking about.

However you seem certain in your stance that me and others are making up lies on the internet for fun. It’s a shame we’re at that point in society in general. If not you I hope others enjoy the wisdom we share.

No one said anyone is lying. I just think context matters here. And without presenting said document to see that context its really hard to take an anonymous person on faith that basically says "just trust me". Because for all we know the interpretation being made here is being made in a way that wasn't intended.

Also again if these documents can't be shared then why have so many people on this site then supposedly seen them? Clearly they are being shared, but only if "you're worthy" and "in the club". And on top of that, we know that people on the internet even if they aren't lying like to exaggerate for effect. So while I don't doubt that this point that some document exists, I do doubt the intent of said document, at least how its being presented here.