MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

No. It seems to me like the general consensus is that at least the lower island of TSI could/should have been preserved while RoA would be truncated with the Belle still running a loop past the Mansion and Big Thunder.

Exactly. I’d be fine with the smaller part of the island becoming a cars / National park area with TSI style trails.

Losing the riverboat is the big issue.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Disneyland has attractions on top of each other because they can be. You can’t do that in Florida when you are building on swamp land.

The water table matters!

They can build Everest but can’t build something like Alice in Wonderland that goes partially over Mr. Toad?

 

[FettFan]

What happened to Camp Minnie-Mickey?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Disneyland has attractions on top of each other because they can be. You can’t do that in Florida when you are building on swamp land.

The water table matters!

MK is literally built on top of the utilodors.

 

[Disney Analyst]

MK is literally built on top of the utilodors.

WDW is made up of insane super structures. They could very easily engineer a better density ratio like at Disneyland.

And even Disneyland only has a few specific attractions that are built on top of one another.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Are they officially calling the area Cars Land though or is that just for reference for the construction project and once complete the map will just have the Piston Peak attraction on it (and the smaller attraction) as items in Frontierland?

The latter.

Disney has been careful not to call it a "Cars Land," but an area within Frontierland.

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First announced at last year’s D23: The Ultimate Disney Fan Event, a brand-new Cars themed area​

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If it were a land, you'd expect BTMR and TBA to be rethemed as such.

 

[peter11435]

Disneyland has attractions on top of each other because they can be. You can’t do that in Florida when you are building on swamp land.

The water table matters!

Except in this case the water table doesn’t matter at all.

 

[Dreamer19]

No. It seems to me like the general consensus is that at least the lower island of TSI could/should have been preserved while RoA would be truncated with the Belle still running a loop past the Mansion and Big Thunder.

Hence the lack of creativity and heart behind it.

I think at least one former Imagineer has come out and shown how they could have saved ROA and TSI while also cleverly inserting the new Cars attraction/land behind or adjacent to them.

 

[FettFan]

Hence the lack of creativity and heart behind it.

I think at least one former Imagineer has come out and shown how they could have saved ROA and TSI while also cleverly inserting the new Cars attraction/land behind or adjacent to them.

Aye. Eddie Sotto posted it to his Twitter.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Hence the lack of creativity and heart behind it.

I think at least one former Imagineer has come out and shown how they could have saved ROA and TSI while also cleverly inserting the new Cars attraction/land behind or adjacent to them.

They don't want to save it. There were dozens of alternatives to removing RoA. They knew about them. They didn't need any of us or an ex-Imagineer to show them how with our drawings. They knew. They still decided to remove RoA because they wanted to remove RoA, not because they didn't know of any alternatives.

 

[Dreamer19]

They don't want to save it. There were dozens of alternatives to removing RoA. They knew about them. They didn't need any of us or an ex-Imagineer to show them how with our drawings. They knew. They still decided to remove RoA because they wanted to remove RoA, not because they didn't know of any alternatives.

And I’m arguing that it’s a lazy, thoughtless and overall bad decision.

 

[CoastalElite64]

The rivers were going, and the elephant in the room is:

 

[TheMaxRebo]

They don't want to save it. There were dozens of alternatives to removing RoA. They knew about them. They didn't need any of us or an ex-Imagineer to show them how with our drawings. They knew. They still decided to remove RoA because they wanted to remove RoA, not because they didn't know of any alternatives.

They definitely could have done something that kept at least part of it ... they weighed the pros and cons/cost vs benefit of options (and we don't know all the details - such as work needed to maintain the river, etc) and felt this was the best one for what they are trying to achieve

With what I know, I would not have made this decision but they also know a lot I/we don't

 

[MisterPenguin]

They definitely could have done something that kept at least part of it

Yes, they could. That's my point. They didn't need Eddie to draw it out for them in order to save it. They knew how to save it.

They didn't want to save it.

Fans: "Look at my drawing! You can save it!!"​

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Disney: "We don't want to!!"​

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If it was up to me, IaSW would have been rebuilt better in EPCOT and the current one razed so as to get to the back yard expansion pad. They didn't take me up on that plan. Because they probably didn't want to save RoA at all in the first place.

Disney didn't lack the knowledge of how to save RoA. They just didn't want to.

 

[Dreamer19]

I don’t mean to drag this off topic. Apologies to all….I definitely have a lot to say and probably shouldn’t.

 

[el_super]

If Disneyland thought it made business sense to keep the island and boats - why doesn’t WDW?

WDW can't afford the bear patrol tax.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Typing this from Tom Sawyer island - can you give an example or properly utilized attractions? Is there a specific number of daily visitors?

If Disneyland thought it made business sense to keep the island and boats - why doesn’t WDW?

I would believe its a case of them wanting MK to shine differently than DL.

MK has always somewhat been in DL's shadow. This is a chance for it to not just be "East Coast Worse Disneyland" but because it's own park in a way. Part of that does mean taking away some stuff that didn't work as well. Repeat visitors would like stuff like TSI more than once in a lifetime tourists. Different audience, different priorities. Kinda like asking why Disneyland has roaming characters while WDW doesn't really.

 

[Incomudro]

I will admit that sometimes new ideas put forth by Imagineering clash with existing theming or story.

However I just hate the political angle of it all.

It’s always this idea of some blue haired woke zombie trying to ruin Disney. Not saying every poster believes that but some absolutely do.

Those people are certainly entrenched in the company.
I've seen videos where they themselves were happy to exclaim it.
Meanwhile at Universal: Epic Universe.

 

[HMF]

After Epcot's World Celebration I think it's more than just the executives. There seems to be a lot of internal political fights with imagineering that have bubbled up too much and that was a giant result of that. Design by a dysfunctional committee. I don't doubt there are some individual contributors there that are great, but I think the whole org is rotten now. The state of the "Imagination" pavilion is a good measure of how it's doing.

Well it doesn't help that the proposed "Festival Center" was structurally impossible to build. I wish Disney had realized that before demoing Communicore West BEFORE the pandemic. Then they wouldn't have needed to bother with Communicore Hall.

 

[HMF]

I agree all I’m saying is blame the appropriate people. It’s not Imagineering for this decision. I would start with Jeff Vahle.

Jeff Vahle makes dumb creative decision then WDI comes up with a contrived backstory to explain why in order for it to (barely) make sense. (See: Hatbox Ghost next to Endless Hallway.)