MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[el_super]

I don’t want to speak for others, but I feel as though the majority of those who are upset with this decision are more disappointed with the lack of creativity and heart behind it.

What? Wouldn't envisioning a land of make-believe, where cars are like people, be more creative than planting some trees and calling it a wilderness?

I am aware that both ROA and TSI are not wildly popular attractions, overflowing with guests. That isn’t the point.

Absolutely, 100%, the point of it. They have to build AND maintain spaces that people are willing to spend money to visit. If you want trees, water and real wilderness, you can have it elsewhere.

 

[eddie104]

How is that a scapegoat?

Some posters on here are constantly looking to throw the Imagineers under the bus for Bob Iger’s reckless decisions.

Every little project that doesn’t turn out right folks tend to point fingers at the creatives behind them.

Instead of saying maybe their hands were tied or the budget wasn’t managed appropriately.

 

[Chi84]

I appreciate the call out. I am not here to insult or demean.

Having close ties to the company, I do not appreciate the current direction and have strong feelings about it. I also understand that there are a range of differing tastes and that my opinion isn’t necessarily the correct one.

That being said, having worked for the company for ten years in multiple areas and having drank the Koolaid, I began to see a decline that even by bias couldn’t ignore. Disney is supposed to be the absolute standard for entertainment, guest services and theming.

Can you honestly say they still are?

There is a definite decline in all those things. Unfortunately current management has a new definition of what Disney is “supposed to be.”

I don’t agree with them but I’m seeing a sustained decline in customer service everywhere, not just at Disney. And I’m not sure our fast-paced society even notices.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I don’t think it would be a sensible business decision to keep underutilized attractions in operation.

Typing this from Tom Sawyer island - can you give an example or properly utilized attractions? Is there a specific number of daily visitors?

If Disneyland thought it made business sense to keep the island and boats - why doesn’t WDW?

 

[Andrew C]

Typing this from Tom Sawyer island - can you give an example or properly utilized attractions? Is there a specific number of daily visitors?

If Disneyland thought it made business sense to keep the island and boats - why doesn’t WDW?

I feel like Disney and others insist on putting numbers and metrics on everything. Sometimes, it is just about the atmosphere that something brings to an area to make a better experience. It can be integral of the land without even knowing it..or forgetting that you once knew this to be the case. When it comes to Frontierland, that is what RoA and TSI are to me.

 

[eddie104]

I know they are also attempting to drive their agenda before anything else.

This is where we will agree to disagree. I don’t want get into a heated political discussion.

I will just say diversity is good and having a variety of opinions is a must in any successful company.

If Disneyland thought it made business sense to keep the island and boats - why doesn’t WDW?

ROA in DL is crucial as they use it for Fantasmic.

TSI seems to be more popular on the West Coast for some reason.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

ROA in DL is crucial as they use it for Fantasmic.

Nothing was keeping them from building a WDW type Fantasmic stage - would allow for more expansion and make operations much simpler since cast and equipment wouldn’t have to cross over by raft.

TSI seems to be more popular on the West Coast for some reason.

Both seem to be attended about the same in my anecdotal experiences.

 

[rd805]

Typing this from Tom Sawyer island - can you give an example or properly utilized attractions? Is there a specific number of daily visitors?

If Disneyland thought it made business sense to keep the island and boats - why doesn’t WDW?

Would the sheer # of visitors be a good enough reason? MK always seems pretty slammed -- it's been a bit since I've went to DL, but I would say it's a much easier experience to navigate with shorter wait times.

 

[Chi84]

They could have turned TSI into another Camp Minnie-Mickey with a Pocahontas show and character meets.

What happened to Camp Minnie-Mickey?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

What happened to Camp Minnie-Mickey?

It became avatar land. It was designed as a placeholder and they built a brand new theatre for the only remaining attraction in the land. (Pocahontas had already closed - it wasn’t really a Disney worthy show).

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

I feel like Disney and others insist on putting numbers and metrics on everything. Sometimes, it is just about the atmosphere that something brings to an area to make a better experience. It can be integral of the land without even knowing it..or forgetting that you once knew this to be the case. When it comes to Frontierland, that is what RoA and TSI are to me.

Would Piston Peak not provide much of the same? Per the concept art it looks as though it could.

 

[flynnibus]

I don’t want to speak for others, but I feel as though the majority of those who are upset with this decision are more disappointed with the lack of creativity and heart behind it.

Then why is the loudest noise about ROA going away.. and why was all the noise before anything really of substance is known about the actual attractions?

 

[Chi84]

Would Piston Peak not provide much of the same? Per the concept art it looks as though it could.

If it could be designed to continue the concept and at the same time have a more popular attraction, that would be a good thing.

 

[flynnibus]

o be fair I think the more common sentiment is to always give imagineers a pass and blame everything on Iger and the suits

And the common thread? Both sides acting like they know the actual workings without a lick of actual direct knowledge. Which why all of it is basically useless fanrage.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

And the common thread? Both sides acting like they know the actual workings without a lick of actual direct knowledge. Which why all of it is basically useless fanrage.

Welcome to the internets. This is WDWMagic a forum where we talk about such things. Hi, my name is Alec Azam and I'm an addict. What brings you here today?

Coffee and donuts at the back of the gymnasium.

 

[phillip9698]

Partially…. This is completely counter to the thinking of the design of the WDW resort. The resort was planned to have large portions “underutilized” - Disneyland is the opposite with attractions literally on top of each other.

That doesn’t mean that every single attraction has to continue operating - although understanding nostalgia is important for the Disney theme park business.

But the decisions to cut rivers of America and muppets are particularly upsetting.

Disneyland has attractions on top of each other because they can be. You can’t do that in Florida when you are building on swamp land.

The water table matters!

 

[mickEblu]

And the common thread? Both sides acting like they know the actual workings without a lick of actual direct knowledge. Which why all of it is basically useless fanrage.

Well then let’s just all shut up and shut down all the threads except for Trip reports. Lol.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Would Piston Peak not provide much of the same? Per the concept art it looks as though it could.

I hope so - and looks like it could with walking paths by the geysers, etc. Hopefully plenty of places to sit throughout too

There is potential here, but will come down to final execution

 

[Chi84]

Well then let’s just all shut up and shut down all the threads except for Trip reports. Lol.

There’s a difference between true discussion and simply stating one’s unfounded opinions as fact.

People have a right to call that out.

 

[FettFan]

I don’t want to speak for others, but I feel as though the majority of those who are upset with this decision are more disappointed with the lack of creativity and heart behind it.

No. It seems to me like the general consensus is that at least the lower island of TSI could/should have been preserved while RoA would be truncated with the Belle still running a loop past the Mansion and Big Thunder.