Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You’re terribly uninformed if you think the COVID impact on productions was limited to masks and sanitizers. You do yourself a disservice by saying such things.

I didn’t say it had no impact…but as usual…it vastly been overstated as yet another blanket excuse in Bob’s quiver

 

[Dranth]

This has never ever ever been true.

Yes, it is. We all know that Citizen Cane, The Wizard of Oz, It's a Wonderful Life, The Thing, The Shawshank Redemption, The Big Lebowski, Office Space, Children of Men, etc. didn't make money at the box office because they were terrible movies.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I understand that it is difficult, if not impossible, to discuss box office numbers without getting political - I appreciate and thank those who have managed to do it - but the no politics rule still applies.

I knew she was gonna “spoon” us

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes, it is. We all know that Citizen Cane, The Wizard of Oz, It's a Wonderful Life, The Thing, The Shawshank Redemption, The Big Lebowski, Office Space, Children of Men, etc. didn't make money at the box office because they were terrible movies.

So we’re gonna do the word games/semantics with absolutes, eh?

 

[Chi84]

So we’re gonna do the word games/semantics with absolutes, eh?

If we’re going to characterize the COVID impact as “masks and sanitizers,” then yes, that’s what we’re doing

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If we’re going to characterize the COVID impact as “masks and sanitizers,” then yes, that’s what we’re doing

Oh hush…you know when we get to semantics…we got nothing

And you gotta shake the urge to defend Captain dipstick…it’s all over the place. Whatever is opposite at all times.

Like Indiana jones having a $400 budget because of masks. They just screwed it up…no need to splain it away.

People can post whatever they want…nobody has to agree. But no consistency is such a boring waste of time

 

[Disstevefan1]

This board really does insist on existing in its own little bubble separated from reality and knowledge.

 

[Chi84]

Oh hush…you know when we get to semantics…we got nothing

And you gotta shake the urge to defend Captain dipstick…it’s all over the place. Whatever is opposite at all times.

Like Indiana jones having a $400 budget because of masks. They just screwed it up…no need to splain it away.

People can post whatever they want…nobody has to agree. But no consistency is such a boring waste of time

You deal in almost nothing but semantics and absolutes so please don’t call out others for responding in the same way.

It’s possible you can’t see this in yourself.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You deal in almost nothing but semantics and absolutes so please don’t call out others for responding in the same way.

It’s possible you can’t see this in yourself.

I’ll take the hit on absolutes…though other than when I’m clowning it starts with an assessment of common sense (which I know flies in the face of “I think it’s worth it to ME” for every price Disney spins at us )

…but I draw the line at semantics. How dare you, Madame?!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This board really does insist on existing in its own little bubble separated from reality and knowledge.

It’s so dumb it honestly makes me wonder if I’m wrong for generally agreeing with the negative consensus on the theme park side of this site.

Well you’re right about this

 

[BrianLo]

It’s ok, Walter believes all movies make endless money in the end because of D+. Regardless of performance. He’s said so about 50 times now.

He’s also been aggressively petitioning for Iger to get a contract extension, it’s a bit hard to take someone so seriously when they are such a company shill.

 

[TalkingHead]

Yes, it is. We all know that Citizen Cane, The Wizard of Oz, It's a Wonderful Life, The Thing, The Shawshank Redemption, The Big Lebowski, Office Space, Children of Men, etc. didn't make money at the box office because they were terrible movies.

Your mistake was comparing actual movies to the never-ending stream of episodic junk that pours out of the Marvel content factory.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s ok, Walter believes all movies make endless money in the end because of D+. Regardless of performance. He’s said so about 50 times now.

He’s also been aggressively petitioning for Iger to get a contract extension, it’s a bit hard to take someone so seriously when they are such a company shill.

…yep…you got me dead on

 

[Dranth]

So we’re gonna do the word games/semantics with absolutes, eh?

The poster was providing an absolutist opinion:

In the old days when a studio released a movie that didn't sell tickets it was just a bad movie that didn't sell tickets. Oh well.

I am just pointing out some of the many examples out where the posters own presented logic fails.

In addition, they posted that in direct response to possible large price increases to tickets because of new tariffs implying that movies that may be released under those tariffs that don't do well at the box office are just bad. Pricing apparently doesn't have any real impact despite us seeing the exact opposite on the parks front?

Look, we all know there are plenty of good to great movies that fail at the box office and many trash movies that do well so let's stop trying to pretend that the box office is some be all indication of the quality of a given movie. It is a good place to start but leaves a VERY incomplete picture.

 

[Dranth]

Your mistake was comparing actual movies to the never-ending stream of episodic junk that pours out of the Marvel content factory.

The poster didn't specify Marvel movies nor were Marvel movies being mentioned in the post they were responding.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The poster was providing an absolutist opinion:


I am just pointing out some of the many examples out where the posters own presented logic fails.

In addition, they posted that in direct response to possible large price increases to tickets because of new tariffs implying that movies that may be released under those tariffs that don't do well at the box office are just bad. Pricing apparently doesn't have any real impact despite us seeing the exact opposite on the parks front?

Look, we all know there are plenty of good to great movies that fail at the box office and many trash movies that do well so let's stop trying to pretend that the box office is some be all indication of the quality of a given movie. It is a good place to start but leaves a VERY incomplete picture.

Yeah…but you know it’s disingenuous to claim absolutes

Obviously there are outliers…but the point is valid: most movies tank because they suck…in the wash. It’s patterns that matter…not individualized case studies

That’s what’s been going on for the Dis…just really bad story and character choices…

The added wrinkle is that the collector movie market has started to possible reject things due to saturation?

It certainly seems possible. We might be getting “no mas”on MCU and live action remakes. So they are gonna have to address that…

…more frozen…I’m sure.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The poster didn't specify Marvel movies nor were Marvel movies being mentioned in the post they were responding.

What’s being discussed today? There was exactly one new movie that didn’t exactly pack em in?

 

[Nubs70]

Time for the daily Reminder: what is the goal of releasing a movie again?

Maximize Return On Capital Employed

 

[Agent H]

Your mistake was comparing actual movies to the never-ending stream of episodic junk that pours out of the Marvel content factory.

You’re saying this like it’s an absolute 100 percent fact which it is not.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maximize Return On Capital Employed

I was gonna say “sell more crap”…but I’ll accept your answer