Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[celluloid]

Well you made this statement in response to a poster who said they weren't going to see it because they never played the game -



As you didn't identify whom those Millions were one can only presume you're talking about those who don't have kids who play or don't play themselves who were going since it was in the context of a poster who said they never played the game. And like that same poster that responded to you, I questioned it also, since I don't think its reasonable to think there are Millions of people who aren't playing the game going to the movie without someone who is playing the game. Since now you want to say its parents, then yes I'll say reasonable to think there are likely Millions of parents (I'll even throw friends and other family in there for you) who aren't fans nor have played the game who bought tickets to go with their player kids/friends.

As for the rest, I don't know the reasoning for bringing in Jaws, Gone with the Wind, or other source inspired movies as those aren't even in the same realm of discussion as a video game movie made for fans of the video game.

You are sculpting a hill for you again. Did you want one or not? I never said they were going alone or who they were with. I just said plenty of people(reasonablly in the millions out of a smash hit box office worldwide film) who were willing to watch the movie in theaters, have never played it. Reasonable thing to presume.

No other crafting necessary. I am not debating any other claim.

 

[Disney Irish]

You are sculpting a hill for you again. Did you want one or not? I never said they were going alone or who they were with. I just said plenty of people(reasonablly in the millions out of a smash hit box office worldwide film) who were willing to watch the movie in theaters, have never played it. Reasonable thing to presume.

No other crafting necessary. I am not debating any other claim.

Did you miss the part where I was agreeing with you on your presumption based on the quantifier of it being parents?

 

[celluloid]

Did you miss the part where I was agreeing with you on your presumption based on the quantifier of it being parents?

Nope. Just wondering why you crafted a thesis so narrow that has zero do do with any of it and why it is not limited to just parents.

 

[Disney Irish]

Nope. Just wondering why you crafted a thesis so narrow that has zero do do with any of it and why it is not limited to just parents.

Because in my opinion I don't think it reasonable to presume that Millions of non-fan/non-players are going to a movie about a video game they have no interest in without going with someone who is a player, ie they are a parent. And again I don't appear to be alone in this.

So yeah I put a narrow parameter on what I would be willing to agree is a reasonable presumption.

 

[celluloid]

Because in my opinion I don't think it reasonable to presume that Millions of non-fan/non-players are going to a movie about a video game they have no interest in without going with someone who is a player, ie they are a parent. And again I don't appear to be alone in this.

So yeah I put a narrow parameter on what I would be willing to agree is a reasonable presumption.

Ok.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

Well that changes the concept to a specific dynamic and permanters. The parents/non players of the original IP inspiration are still paid tickets of the movie theater. There was never anything said about vast majority. Just that millions will be seeing it that are not players.

So that is what counts in the point you posted to initially. Millions are going to see this movie who are not fans/players of the game.
Parents, husbands, wives, caregivers, aunts, uncles, grandparents and friends will always go to see things that they are not familiar with and or active participants of.
Just like Transformers, Barbie, Superhero films, Toy Story's toy basis ...everything since the dawn of established IP films. The theaters are happy to sell a ticket to everyone.

You are right. Parents and friends of MC fans are going for sure which will equate to millions. My point was more along the lines of people who are not MC fans were probably skipping this.

 

[celluloid]

You are right. Parents and friends of MC fans are going for sure which will equate to millions. My point was more along the lines of people who are not MC fans were probably skipping this.

For sure. Just like someone who is not a fan of Marvel are likely to skip the next release.

The box office itself ultimately counts the ticket sales.

 

[DKampy]

I still think the social media aspect has a higher percentage of the ticket sales than anything else IMO… I still think it would be a hit among parents with kids…. As someone who goes to the theater on a weekly basis…. Young Kids seem to be very excited for this…more so then any other family film recently

There is a reason projections were so far off from reality… I get that projections are tougher to gauge in a post Covid world… however this is perhaps the biggest discrepancy yet.,.. it was more then double what was originally thought… there is a reason… you can not predict social media trends… they either happen or they don’t

 

[celluloid]

I still think the social media aspect has a higher percentage of the ticket sales than anything else IMO… I still think it would be a hit among parents with kids…. As someone who goes to the theater on a weekly basis…. Young Kids seem to be very excited for this…more so then any other family film recently

There is a reason projections were so far off from reality… I get that projections are tougher to gauge in a post Covid world… however this is perhaps the biggest discrepancy yet.,.. it was more then double what was originally thought… there is a reason… you can not predict social media trends… they either happen or they don’t

That is definitely true. The timing of this is really great for WB

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I’m afraid @Casper Gutman is right, and this kind of thing will become a trend.

 

[Tha Realest]

I’m afraid @Casper Gutman is right, and this kind of thing will become a trend.

Why is this a bad thing? It’s an unalloyed success for movie theaters, which desperately needs one.

Those who are going genuinely seem to be enjoying the experience. Why are you shaming this?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah, guy at work's daughter INSISTED they had to go opening night, so they had tickets for a while.

My take on it. It was a really dumb movie, but dumb in the best possible way. It was EXACTLY what it should be, and that was silly, ridiculous, and a TON of fun. And I'd say the box office combined with the viewer reviews vs the "Critics" kind of shows that out. If your top priority going to a movie is just to laugh and enjoy the film, this is for you. If your top priority is to analyze the use of a camera angle and single line in the movie, this is not for you.

Minions movies are complete stupidity…which is why I never miss one in the theaters

Dumb can be good…when your brain doesn’t get alot of time off

 

[celluloid]

Minions movies are complete stupidity…which is why I never miss one in the theaters

Dumb can be good…when your brain doesn’t get alot of time off

Totally. Sometimes I want a circular treat. Sometimes a bagel, sometimes I am down for a doughnut.

For what it is worth, Minecraft was Jason Mamoa's best acting for me since he did that Superbowl commercial where he took his appearance off to reveal a different guy.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Unsurprisingly, current events may impact box office returns:

China to Reduce Imports of Hollywood Films as Trade War Escalates

The China Film Administration said it would "moderately reduce" the number of American films the country imports in response to Donald Trump's tariffs.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

“We will follow market rules, respect the audience’s choice, and moderately reduce the number of American films imported. China is the world’s second-largest film market. We have always adhered to a high level of opening up to the outside world and will introduce more excellent films from the world to meet market demand.”

 

[DKampy]

Why is this a bad thing? It’s an unalloyed success for movie theaters, which desperately needs one.

Those who are going genuinely seem to be enjoying the experience. Why are you shaming this?

It will send Studios a message of hey we don’t even have to try anymore

 

[celluloid]

It will send Studios a message of hey we don’t even have to try anymore

To be fair, That is alway ebb and flow. And it is not based on one trend.

"The book was better" will just become "The game" was better more frequently.

Books, Toys, Media.

The good news is, at the end of the day at times we will still get good stories out of them.

I would rather 50 movie get greenlit and budgeted with good stories being told 10 percent of the time and great stories being told 2 percent of the time than less production.

Just a thought.

 

[Disney Irish]

To be fair, That is alway ebb and flow. And it is not based on one trend.

"The book was better" will just become "The game" was better more frequently.

Books, Toys, Media.

The good news is, at the end of the day at times we will still get good stories out of them.

I would rather 50 movie get greenlit and budgeted with good stories being told 10 percent of the time and great stories being told 2 percent of the time than less production.

Just a thought.

Is it good stories though if its just a retelling of the latest popular video game?

I agree that there is nothing wrong with "dumb" movies from time-to-time, but when that becomes most of the output being pushed to theaters, well that isn't a good thing in the long run in my opinion.

We hear cries from fans that they want more originality, but when that original content that gets pushed out isn't getting an audience studios just pump out more of what makes money, the dumb stuff with no real stories.

 

[celluloid]

Is it good stories though if its just a retelling of the latest popular video game?

Probably not, but could be.

But the same could be said from Fairytales. Specifically made by the same studio...hmmm.

and good stories are not mutually exclusive. It is not originality that matters as much as how well a story is told. Originality of theme is a nice bonus. It just tends to win when it has a slant.

 

[DKampy]

To be fair, That is alway ebb and flow. And it is not based on one trend.

"The book was better" will just become "The game" was better more frequently.

Books, Toys, Media.

The good news is, at the end of the day at times we will still get good stories out of them.

I would rather 50 movie get greenlit and budgeted with good stories being told 10 percent of the time and great stories being told 2 percent of the time than less production.

Just a thought.

I Wii be more then fine with with movies based on games…I think there is good stories to be mined there… I have enjoyed some media based on video games such as Last of Us and Falliut

I do think some Studios may try to create a social media trend…. As they already did with the Morbius rerelease and it’s Morbin time and failed

I also don’t want to see a trend of people yelling lines and throwing popcorn at the screen…. If that happened in a screening I attended I would be very annoyed

 

[celluloid]

I do think some Studios may try to create a social media trend…. As they already did with the Morbius rerelease and it’s Morbin time and failed

I also don’t want to see a trend of people yelling lines and throwing popcorn at the screen…. If that happened in a screening I attended I would be very annoyed

Yeah. I think that is an unfortunate social media crap of disrespect and a very loud five percent (or probably a lot less)
They can't set out to make it a cult classic so fast, that is what it feels like they tried to do, and a theater definitely is not on board for obvious reasons in most cases.

Influence is a dangerous thing sometimes.