Captain America 4

[Disney Irish]

Of course they don't.

It's hilarious when people think they know how much it costs to make a movie based on "feelings".

Reshoots could be a relatively minor expense. Depending on their length they're part of the original budget. Special effects are a huge part of this type of movie and those aren't likely completed until the live action filming is deemed complete.

Yep, and since this movie isn’t VFX heavy (outside of Red Hulk) there likely wasn’t a huge expense to begin with. So any reshoots are more practical in nature and less expensive. So even at 3 rounds of reshoots, which I don’t believe but let’s for the sake of argument say is correct, that isn’t likely to more than double the budget. That would be basically scraping everything and refilming the entire movie over again, and not even Disney/Marvel would do that.

Basically everything I read was a total of 22 days of reshoots, not months and months and some seem to think. 22 days in total, for reference an average MCU film is 3-6 month total shooting. So this is less than 25% reshoots, sorry that is not jacking up the budget by $200M.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

After having got all the interruptions out of the way, now we can get back to the discussion. I still think that Captain America will be good and I would be pretty surprised if it wasn’t. But I think the reaction to Mackie’s comment is interesting. It’s interesting how little phrases can set a people’s tone without them even realizing it. His statement became a lightning rod, not so much because of what he meant by it, but rather based on how people unconsciously interpreted it.
This is why PR and media framing are so effective and very true that not many people pause to consider every word in real time (maybe Bill Clinton comes to mind), they instead receive the general tone and message through the lens of their own individuality. Use of language can often determine how a message will be received. Again, the classic framing effect studies by Tversky and Kahneman. People can come to completely different conclusions about the same set of facts based on whether the message is framed in terms of gains or losses.
Perhaps that is why an ‘I’ and a ‘we’ in Mackie’s comment became a talking point. Not because of what he said, but because of how people felt about what they were hearing.

Difference between how Evans commented on Captain American in 2011, and how he commented on Buzz Lightyear in 2022 comes to mind.

 

[erasure fan1]

Yep, and since this movie isn’t VFX heavy (outside of Red Hulk) there likely wasn’t a huge expense to begin with. So any reshoots are more practical in nature and less expensive. So even at 3 rounds of reshoots, which I don’t believe but let’s for the sake of argument say is correct, that isn’t likely to more than double the budget.

Well there's a lot of questions we don't know on either side. Special effects can cost a lot as you said. Something like redoing Sonic, from nightmare fuel Sonic, probably added a pretty penny to the budget. If most of the reshoots were sound stage type stuff, no problem. But if it starts to get into location shots, actors needing to be rescheduled...that can add up. So really we just don't know what the extent was.

Basically everything I read was a total of 22 days of reshoots, not months and months and some seem to think. 22 days in total, for reference an average MCU film is 3-6 month total shooting. So this is less than 25% reshoots, sorry that is not jacking up the budget by $200M.

I read 22 days as well. While I agree it's not doubling the budget, it is well above normal from everything we see from normal pick-ups. So I'd say if you take the, the, it's an out of control disaster with a half billion budget! And the it's all normal, nothing to see hear, people. It's probably somewhere in the middle.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well there's a lot of questions we don't know on either side. Special effects can cost a lot as you said. Something like redoing Sonic, from nightmare fuel Sonic, probably added a pretty penny to the budget. If most of the reshoots were sound stage type stuff, no problem. But if it starts to get into location shots, actors needing to be rescheduled...that can add up. So really we just don't know what the extent was.

I don't disagree, but I think its safe to say its not adding $200M+ to the budget which is what is being claimed. That is basically a whole film budget unto it self, again something that not even Disney/Marvel would do in even the most troubled projects. That is essentially $9M per day for the reported 22 days for the cost of the reshoots, sorry but that is not believable not when the average is more like $500K on big budget films. Which is why when you start thinking about it for just half a second is not realistic and it completely falls apart.

I read 22 days as well. While I agree it's not doubling the budget, it is well above normal from everything we see from normal pick-ups. So I'd say if you take the, the, it's an out of control disaster with a half billion budget! And the it's all normal, nothing to see hear, people. It's probably somewhere in the middle.

I agree its more than the normal, but still not really all that concerning to me since we don't know exactly what was done. Each day of reshoots for example could only be changing like a few minutes of the overall film, so 22 days could maybe change like a total of 30 minutes of the film, we just don't know.

Also since we don't know where it started we can't even guess budgets, so this is why we just have to take the $180M reported by the reputable trades at face value. Otherwise its just trying to assign an unknown high figure just to make the movie look bad and not having a good faith discussion about its budget.

 

[erasure fan1]

That is basically a whole film budget unto it self, again something that not even Disney/Marvel would do in even the most troubled projects.

Well they did basically reshoot Rogue one and Solo. Those I do believe the reshoots probably added 60/70% or more to the budget. It had to be a fairly big number.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well they did basically reshoot Rogue one and Solo. Those I do believe the reshoots probably added 60/70% or more to the budget. It had to be a fairly big number.

Note I said Disney/Marvel not Disney/Lucas.

Also yes, those movies had reported high budgets post-reshoots, in the $250M+ range. But that still didn't double the budget and add more than $200M to it, which is being suggested here, at over $375M+ post-reshoots. That would make this movie one of the most expensive movies of all time (in the top 5), higher than even Endgame. Sorry just don't buy that in the least.

 

[sedati]

Simple. I will NEVER apologize for, or feel guilty for, being American. Seems too many others do/are.
Take that as you will. I’m out.

We may soon be past the point where anyone accepts apologies from Americans.

 

[Casper Gutman]

If Winter Soldier came out today it would ignite a firestorm of controversy.

There is no way Brave New World isn’t going to be tremendously controversial, no matter what has been reshot. Disney needs to meet the rage head on, but I doubt they have the courage.

 

[Agent H]

If Winter Soldier came out today it would ignite a firestorm of controversy.

There is no way Brave New World isn’t going to be tremendously controversial, no matter what has been reshot. Disney needs to meet the rage head on, but I doubt they have the courage.

Yes I don’t like that they are bending the knee to all the wrong people to see them succeed this way is disheartening

 

[MagicMouseFan]

We may soon be past the point where anyone accepts apologies from Americans.

who are the We that you are referring to?

 

[sedati]

who are the We that you are referring to?

The Historical "We" of human civilization.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

The Historical "We" of human civilization.

Agree.. the “We” of human civilization will be thanking Americans

 

[Casper Gutman]

Agree.. the “We” of human civilization will be thanking Americans

You’re doing great.

 

[Chi84]

Captain America: Brave New World Is Already Avoiding 1 Thing That Made 2 Of The MCU's Biggest Box Office Flops Look Far Worse

Captain America 4's box office looks promising.

screenrant.com

Looks like Disney's media is at it again. Lying about how Cap 4's got a small budget. They are now fessing up to Dr. Strange 2 (415 mil) and Ant-man's (330 mil) budgets, but not The Marvels (374 mil) and Captain Falcon's (projected 350+ mil). I guess it all depends on what supports their narrative.

I missed the part where the article talks about lying.

 

[Tha Realest]

Captain America: Brave New World Is Already Avoiding 1 Thing That Made 2 Of The MCU's Biggest Box Office Flops Look Far Worse

Captain America 4's box office looks promising.

screenrant.com

Looks like Disney's media is at it again. Lying about how Cap 4's got a small budget. They are now fessing up to Dr. Strange 2 (415 mil) and Ant-man's (330 mil) budgets, but not The Marvels (374 mil) and Captain Falcon's (projected 350+ mil). I guess it all depends on what supports their narrative.

The notion that this film’s budget is only $180M (with all the reshoots and stars involved) is laughable. Mackie and Ford’s takes alone are likely bigger than any of the stars of The Marvels or Ant-Man 3.

 

[Chi84]

The notion that this film’s budget is only $180M (with all the reshoots and stars involved) is laughable. Mackie and Ford’s takes alone are likely bigger than any of the stars of The Marvels or Ant-Man 3.

Any support for that other than your feelings?

 

[Tha Realest]

Any support for that other than your feelings?

The reported budgets for more recent Marvel films have come in the high $200M/low $300M range, and this film’s budget would be lower than the original Captain America film when adjusted for inflation (which did not have comparable stars nor the reshoot issues).

 

[Disney Irish]

Captain America: Brave New World Is Already Avoiding 1 Thing That Made 2 Of The MCU's Biggest Box Office Flops Look Far Worse

Captain America 4's box office looks promising.

screenrant.com

Looks like Disney's media is at it again. Lying about how Cap 4's got a small budget. They are now fessing up to Dr. Strange 2 (415 mil) and Ant-man's (330 mil) budgets, but not The Marvels (374 mil) and Captain Falcon's (projected 350+ mil). I guess it all depends on what supports their narrative.

I'm sorry, but now you claim Screenrant is "Disney's media"? Screenrant has never been particularly kind to Disney, so not sure where you get that notion from other than that fact they don't share your opinion.

 

[Disney Irish]

The reported budgets for more recent Marvel films have come in the high $200M/low $300M range, and this film’s budget would be lower than the original Captain America film when adjusted for inflation (which did not have comparable stars nor the reshoot issues).

Got it, so no support for this other than your feelings that it "shouldn't" have a low budget because it has 2 "stars" and had some reshoots.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Harrison Ford Says ‘S— Happens’ Over ‘Indiana Jones 5’ Flop, Joined the MCU With ‘No Script’ Because He Saw Actors ‘Having a Good Time’ in Marvel Movies

Harrison Ford is happy he made "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny" despite it flopping and says he joined Marvel without ever seeing a script.

variety.com