All of these fit DAK perfectly
If you toss in the term perfectly, I would say one should define what perfect in this case is.
Does Monsters Inc Laugh Floor fit Tomorrowland perfectly?
All of these fit DAK perfectly
I absolutely agree with all of this. If the Dinorama plot had been replaced with a well themed addition to Dinoland's theme (like the Excavator coaster) then people would likely appreciate the details in the rest of Dinoland's offerings more. The carnival half really drags down what is otherwise a really in-depth original concept containing compelling world building. It's a shame that the existing original concepts in the parks are rarely allowed to be expanded upon or improved because of the IP mandate. Test Track 3 with WoM influence seems to be an outlier due to sponsor money.Personally, I love the theme of *half* the land. What I call the “institute side” of the land that progresses from Boneyard to Restaurantosaurus to Dinosaur is fantastic and has this great “woodsy” and “lived in” feeling. Really great and refreshing to have all of this dino stuff that isn’t Jurassic Park. Take some time before it all closes to read some of the bulletin boards in the restaurant and around the boneyard and land in general, great world building.
The Dinorama side is what it is, the giftshop and some of the other surroundings are well themed but Dinorama is truly not a great theme even though it’s does exactly what it’s trying to do. It shouldn’t bring down the really great half of the land. I think expanding the digsite theming to the Dinorama plot would be great and so thematically appropriate for the land and park as a whole.
This exactly. It just becomes a hodgepodge of IP with a (often very loose) thread to tie it together or attempt to do so.So, We just surrender thematic integrity in the name of the IP mandate? I would rather the park stay completely stagnant. As I said in my article with Rohde gone, the park will go the way of EPCOT and DHS. Just a place to stick IP's with no rhyme or reason.
No. You should make a list of Animal Kingdom's themes and ensure that any attraction built, regardless of IP, can satisfy them. There is no IP that will always magically fit unless you carefully consider the content of the attraction and whether it relates back to Animal Kingdom.So should we just make a list of which IPs "fit" Animal Kingdom and which don't?
That's true, though I'm not convinced it needs to be a top 10 IP (I doubt Tiana falls into that category, nor Coco). But, I'm also not convinced they pick the ones that best fit either. While everyone hated Zootopia, I think most liked Moana in there. Maybe Indy still remains the other ride (cause really his adventures can be anywhere with a story). I think the one everyone is struggling with is Encanto right now. Again, not my movie at all, but it just feels like there could have been better IP to draw on for even a Tropical America area.The IP mandate is, what, a decade old by now?
The die is cast.
For weal or woe, (almost) all new attractions will be IP based. Current attractions without a Disney IP will always be 'in danger' of being rethemed to a Disney IP.
What's surprising is that some people are still surprised by this.
Sure, it's OK to not like it. But, if you want new attractions, especially in a park that's in need of new attractions, you're going to get one of Disney's top ten IPs.
I trust attempts will be made to make it 'fit' the park/land. How successful that will be is yet to be seen. And each attraction will have its own success rate.
And until one knows the actual 'story' of a new attraction, one won't know how successful it will be. But if one wants to yell at a cloud or a black box... knock yourselves out.
If it were up to me, North of Kali would be Tropical America Land with rides (Mirabel racing with us through Antonio's door) and animal exhibits.That's true, though I'm not convinced it needs to be a top 10 IP (I doubt Tiana falls into that category, nor Coco). But, I'm also not convinced they pick the ones that best fit either. While everyone hated Zootopia, I think most liked Moana in there. Maybe Indy still remains the other ride (cause really his adventures can be anywhere with a story). I think the one everyone is struggling with is Encanto right now. Again, not my movie at all, but it just feels like there could have been better IP to draw on for even a Tropical America area.
But I also think you get to the issue of why closing down Dino to do this would be an issue. If it's a new land, it'd be real easy to have a walkthrough animal area, and then just 1 ride based on IP (and if you went Moana, add in a really nice splash pad as well). Since nothing was removed, it's a net gain. But when you are removing things, you are shoehorning yourself into needing to add at least the same amount of things taken away. Now you need to figure out 3 or so things to add, and you really can't do them all for a singular IP.
Indy seems to fit the second part of his statement, if they do it rightView attachment 777751
I personally don’t see how Chester & Hesters fits into the three themes of DAK to begin with, but the theme is well executed, it’s just a poor theme. Personally I feel that goes for all of Dinoland since Chester & Hester makes it not mesh well at all.
Not all IPs have staying power though, which is why the timeless attractions stand the test of time, and some IP attractions feel dated or irrelevant. As time moves on fewer children have seen or heard of the characters unless it was truly a top 10 movie.The IP mandate is, what, a decade old by now?
The die is cast.
For weal or woe, (almost) all new attractions will be IP based. Current attractions without a Disney IP will always be 'in danger' of being rethemed to a Disney IP.
What's surprising is that some people are still surprised by this.
Sure, it's OK to not like it. But, if you want new attractions, especially in a park that's in need of new attractions, you're going to get one of Disney's top ten IPs.
I trust attempts will be made to make it 'fit' the park/land. How successful that will be is yet to be seen. And each attraction will have its own success rate.
And until one knows the actual 'story' of a new attraction, one won't know how successful it will be. But if one wants to yell at a cloud or a black box... knock yourselves out.
Not all IPs have staying power though, which is why the timeless attractions stand the test of time, and some IP attractions feel dated or irrelevant. As time moves on fewer children have seen or heard of the characters unless it was truly a top 10 movie.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. Disney doesn’t really seem to care and this is the direction they’re going. But it doesn’t mean it’s a permanent or irreversible decision. If they get enough backlash, maybe someday, they will reconsider.
Many attractions based on IP from more than half a century ago still feel relevant today, and many attractions without an associated film IP became dated and had to be replaced. Whether or not something has staying power has a lot to do with factors other than what IP was or wasn't used.Not all IPs have staying power though, which is why the timeless attractions stand the test of time, and some IP attractions feel dated or irrelevant. As time moves on fewer children have seen or heard of the characters unless it was truly a top 10 movie.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. Disney doesn’t really seem to care and this is the direction they’re going. But it doesn’t mean it’s a permanent or irreversible decision. If they get enough backlash, maybe someday, they will reconsider.
I’ve consumed just about every bit of Indiana Jones media (movies, games, and novels - only blind spot is the Marvel comics), and if there’s one constant with the character it’s his estimation and preservation of diverse ecosystems and biomes.I find it hard to believe that secret fourth thing doesn’t fundamentally change his character.
But I hope they surprise me.
If Lion King isn't appropriate for the park, than there are very few IPs that would work for the park. The fact that it's been in the park since inception already contradicts this opinion.
Joe Rohde has been consistent on his themes of the park:
- The intrinsic and superior value of nature (An overgrown temple with animals residing inside exemplifies this without outwardly stating it)
- Personal Call to Action (all this has to be is a parting message at the end of the ride)
- Transformation through adventure (this is probably the most generic of the themes)
One of the signature songs from the Lion King is the Circle of Life. It's an underlying theme of the movie. Now, does Festival of the Lion King hit that message home particularly hard? No, not really. To that I say, "Yeah, but still."
The IP mandate is, what, a decade old by now?
The die is cast.
For weal or woe, (almost) all new attractions will be IP based. Current attractions without a Disney IP will always be 'in danger' of being rethemed to a Disney IP.
What's surprising is that some people are still surprised by this.
Sure, it's OK to not like it. But, if you want new attractions, especially in a park that's in need of new attractions, you're going to get one of Disney's top ten IPs.
I trust attempts will be made to make it 'fit' the park/land. How successful that will be is yet to be seen. And each attraction will have its own success rate.
And until one knows the actual 'story' of a new attraction, one won't know how successful it will be. But if one wants to yell at a cloud or a black box... knock yourselves out.
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