News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What's funny about it? I was asking you to please use my preferred pronouns, listed in my about page.

Just the way it read…not the tone/substance of it.

You’re reading too much into it. I’m old…so we were taught to laugh as much as we can.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Personally I'm with you in that I'm just thankful that Disney finally made a major investment into the park after decades of stagnation.

But did they?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Highly disagree. It was laughably outdated, the new show is far better and has much more modern tech to improve

It was outdated and needed to go

What they did in response was laughably bad

The kraken with cartoons on it. Like a traveling carnie from hell

 

[FutureCEO]

I love the new epcot imo its way better than before. Cant wait for the new communicore stage area to open!

it's like a convention hall in a theme park

 

[peter11435]

But did they?

They unquestionably did. That doesn’t mean they did well.

 

[marni1971]

it's like a convention hall in a theme park

Not even that good.

 

[monothingie]

In addition to those two, and what was mentioned, which was...

• gorgeous new fountain and welcoming front entrance
• Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure
• Creations Shop
• The lights on Spaceship Earth
• Space 220 Restaurant
• Connections Café & Eatery
• Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind
• Journey of Water, Inspired by Moana
• Walt the Dreamer

There is also in addition to the above (not saying they're all winners...):

• New Land movie
• New Canada movie
• BatB singalong
• refreshed infrastructure for the entrance lot
• New Japan restaurant
• Coco attraction in Mexico lobby
• refresh of Test Track (still to come)
• Green side of M:S
• the parkification of the hub
• Duck Tales thing

In Memorium

And of course I can't leave out The Imagination Pavilion

 

[monothingie]

Not even that good.

But the floor tiles are top notch.

 

[monothingie]

Personally I'm with you in that I'm just thankful that Disney finally made a major investment into the park after decades of stagnation.

But did they?

You're both right.

Yes they did spend money....after a decade and a half of not spending any money on EPCOT.

And in typical Disney fashion, they overpromised and under delivered with a lot, all at the same time throwing a lot of money away for mostly cosmetic and incremental improvments.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You're both right.

Yes they did spend money....after a decade and a half of not spending any money on EPCOT.

And in typical Disney fashion, they overpromised and under delivered with a lot, all at the same time throwing a lot of money away for mostly cosmetic and incremental improvments.

I just see “major investment” as more than a dollar figure

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not even that good.

Seems like they tore down an old, kinda smelly building with nothing in it…
…and put up an identical, new, less smelly building with nothing in it

 

[monothingie]

I just see “major investment” as more than a dollar figure

It was major investment to focus on enhancing things which would drive revenue only. The Play pavilion was never going to do that, neither was the Jetson's stilt thing. So they cut or redid it on the cheap.

 

[Phicinfan]

I just see “major investment” as more than a dollar figure

Sorry? Investment is investment - the spending of money. Now good investment, that drives revenue..... Not even close

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Sorry? Investment is investment - the spending of money. Now good investment, that drives revenue..... Not even close

Pretty sure you answered your own question there

But before we get off the rails here - since this thread seems to be an impromptu meeting of the “council of elders”…

What I’m saying is they have not positioned the park better for the future than it was 25 years ago when this mess started. That is true investment

It’s still an underattended/underappealing park. There’s not enough to do so it’s kinda stuck. And the old issues are still there: stagnation in the country pavilions, wonders of life, imagination, spaceship earth all need a huge capital/construction injection.

They need a redo to fix the redo.

Tell me I’m wrong?

 

[monothingie]

It’s still an underattended/underappealing park. There’s not enough to do so it’s kinda stuck. And the old issues are still there: stagnation in the country pavilions, wonders of life, imagination, spaceship earth all need a huge capital/construction injection.

With the exception of RAT and GOTG, there is nothing that was done to make EPCOT any more or less of a target destination for guests. It is not significantly more or less attended than it was prior to construction.

 

[Phicinfan]

Pretty sure you answered your own question there

it was a statement, but again, we don't really disagree

But before we get off the rails here - since this thread seems to be an impromptu meeting of the “council of elders”…

What I’m saying is they have not positioned the park better for the future than it was 25 years ago when this mess started. That is true investment

Don't disagree at all here. At some point the HAVE to finally define the theme of this theme park. If its only going to be Festival world - then focus on festival things and walk away from the World Fair theme. If they want to keep the World Fair theme, then they need to add more country pavilions in World Showcase and update or replace some of the older attractions in the other side. But they won't, hell they won't even keep what they have working well.

It’s still an underattended/underappealing park. There’s not enough to do so it’s kinda stuck. And the old issues are still there: stagnation in the country pavilions, wonders of life, imagination, spaceship earth all need a huge capital/construction injection.

They need a redo to fix the redo.

Yes, and this time a redo that actually redoes and improves

Tell me I’m wrong?

Not totally

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not in the slightest bit, my lord Emperor

FTFY

https://media.tenor.com/WEZFaliI2ZUAAAAM/dance-ostrich.gif

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

With the exception of RAT and GOTG, there is nothing that was done to make EPCOT any more or less of a target destination for guests. It is not significantly more or less attended than it was prior to construction.

Its attendance has not grown in proportion as magic kingdom/wdw has

And it’s lost ground to DAK and MGM - by proportion

Should be a solid second based on its size and history

 

[Vinnie Mac]

I understand most of the criticisms people have about about the updates to Epcot but personally I love the park right now. Of course I wish PLAY! pavilion didn't fall through and i think things could have gone smoother but Epcot is very fun to be at right now. Certainly more fun that it was 5-7 years ago. Space 220, Cosmic Rewind, Remy, LSOU are the biggest highlights to me but I like the change in atmosphere at the park in general. Also excited for what's to come cause the Test Track 3.0 concept art looks promising and I feel like that SSE update is going to happen some day.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

LSOU?